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honest_lifter
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Ok, I wanted to get an idea about how many people that dunk, do it while jumping off of one foot or two. Also, how your squat numbers relate to this. I am a 1 leg jumper and i read that that meant that i was more reactive than strong.
I can not dunk yet (despite being 6'2") and i wanted to see what the people's thoughts are here so that i can maybe improve the fastest way. |
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In high school I could dunk 1 handed and 2 handed jumping off of 2 feet, but could not dunk off of 1 foot. I'm 6'1 and did not squat back then, I barely even worked out anything but my upper body. I remember leg pressing maybe a handful of times and do not remember the exact weight but know it was over 600lbs. I used to do a lot of plyometrics back then that gave me good results. |
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TheBodyGuard
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it's a reactive v. strength thing. I could do both but as I got stronger, I lost my reactive strength and could jump higher off two feet whereas at one point I could go higher off one foot. looking back, I failed to keep the balance. |
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honest_lifter
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TheBodyGuard wrote:
it's a reactive v. strength thing. I could do both but as I got stronger, I lost my reactive strength and could jump higher off two feet whereas at one point I could go higher off one foot. looking back, I failed to keep the balance.
So do you mean you naturally gravitated toward the 2 feet or did you have to train for it more? Any particular reactive drills to train? |
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kheaslim
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I dunk off two much better than off one. I haven't tried dunking since I have been squatting though.
I found off one leg, sometimes I would fly, but most of the time my knee would buckle forward a little bit. |
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6'1, one leg jumper. In college I was just shy of dunking. I could dunk a rubber BB but not a leather or synthetic. A few years later when I was lifting hard core and got up to a double body weight squat I could dunk. It was still off one foot, but a much deeper dip. I consider the depth of the dip the measure of weather it's reactive or strength. One leg or two sounds like bullshit to me. |
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5'11", one leg jumper.
I can dunk off one leg or two legs, but I feel more comfortable off of one.
My two legged jump has increase since I started lifting weights, but my one foot jump is about the same. I don't give a shit about dunking anymore though. |
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I can't dunk YET, but my lift off is two legged, I can reach more if I jump from both my legs (a volleyball spike) than if I do more of a basketballesque one legged jump. |
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Different for everyone Dominique Wilkins Powerful two leg jumper, MJ one footer. Nique was powerful and strong, MJ more reactive and finesseful. |
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In high school I could dunk off 1 foot or both but I could definitely get higher of both feet. But like one said above, I barely lifted back then. I did however, always work on my hops...which back then, I thought calves were the most important thing so I did all kinds of calf raises, strength shoes, ect...
I wish I would have squatted more... |
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I can dunk off 1-foot but nothing impressive. Off 2-feet I can do pretty well in dunk contests. My 1-foot touch is about 10'8" and my 2-foot touch is about 11'7" at 6'3".
Fastest way to improve is probably going to be off 2-feet, as it is a more strength-dominant move and strength is an easier quality to improve than reactivity. If you hit the gym hard getting your squat strength up while doing some 2-foot jumping exercises, you should be able to improve 3-4" in your first year or so of hard training for vertical leap. That might push you over the edge to be able to get your dunk. |
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I dunk off my left foot, which is weird, because my right leg is stronger. |
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jtrinsey wrote:
I can dunk off 1-foot but nothing impressive. Off 2-feet I can do pretty well in dunk contests. My 1-foot touch is about 10'8" and my 2-foot touch is about 11'7" at 6'3".
Fastest way to improve is probably going to be off 2-feet, as it is a more strength-dominant move and strength is an easier quality to improve than reactivity. If you hit the gym hard getting your squat strength up while doing some 2-foot jumping exercises, you should be able to improve 3-4" in your first year or so of hard training for vertical leap. That might push you over the edge to be able to get your dunk.
Sweet. that is what i am going to try. i have a decent deadlift (~330) but my squat is still only 200 (close stance). i bought some books on jumping and running. my running speed is fine, but jumping SUCKS! Like only 17-19 inches. |
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honest_lifter wrote:
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it's a reactive v. strength thing. I could do both but as I got stronger, I lost my reactive strength and could jump higher off two feet whereas at one point I could go higher off one foot. looking back, I failed to keep the balance.
So do you mean you naturally gravitated toward the 2 feet or did you have to train for it more? Any particular reactive drills to train?
No, I just think as I got stronger, I lost reactive ability some...at least off one leg. When I was younger and less developed, I was tremendous off one leg. Later, as I aged and got stronger, I was tremendous off 2 and less explosive off 1. I did tons of plyos but probaby not enough single leg work...I'm really not sure to this day why such a change...just kind of happened.
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jtrinsey wrote:
I can dunk off 1-foot but nothing impressive. Off 2-feet I can do pretty well in dunk contests. My 1-foot touch is about 10'8" and my 2-foot touch is about 11'7" at 6'3".
Fastest way to improve is probably going to be off 2-feet, as it is a more strength-dominant move and strength is an easier quality to improve than reactivity. If you hit the gym hard getting your squat strength up while doing some 2-foot jumping exercises, you should be able to improve 3-4" in your first year or so of hard training for vertical leap. That might push you over the edge to be able to get your dunk.
11 feet is top of the square. You telling me you can go 7 inches above top of the square off 2 feet? I want to see.
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I can't dunk YET. My balls are way too heavy for that shit for now. Wait till I spread my little minions and populate, THEN we can talk dunking. |
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LankyMofo wrote:
I dunk off my left foot, which is weird, because my right leg is stronger.
what is your front leg if you were to do sprints?
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TheBodyGuard wrote:
jtrinsey wrote:
I can dunk off 1-foot but nothing impressive. Off 2-feet I can do pretty well in dunk contests. My 1-foot touch is about 10'8" and my 2-foot touch is about 11'7" at 6'3".
Fastest way to improve is probably going to be off 2-feet, as it is a more strength-dominant move and strength is an easier quality to improve than reactivity. If you hit the gym hard getting your squat strength up while doing some 2-foot jumping exercises, you should be able to improve 3-4" in your first year or so of hard training for vertical leap. That might push you over the edge to be able to get your dunk.
11 feet is top of the square. You telling me you can go 7 inches above top of the square off 2 feet? I want to see.
I'll try to get some video now, even though my vert is down just a tad since my college volleyball career is over and I've been training MMA now. The other day I got an 11'4" touch off an approach so I am down a little but still fairly close to my peak jump. Here's the best pictures I had up on my Facebook that show it. The pic I attached in in my garage gym last summer. The beam is at 9'6" and I have to duck to avoid hitting it. |
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And here is a 64" hurdle off a two step. Was scared to try to box jump this and wipeout so I just did a hurdle. Did it on a challenge (and because the girl's soccer team was also in the weightroom and I was trying to be cool) after squatting. Note the high-top Chucks for extra style points. |
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jtrinsey wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
jtrinsey wrote:
I can dunk off 1-foot but nothing impressive. Off 2-feet I can do pretty well in dunk contests. My 1-foot touch is about 10'8" and my 2-foot touch is about 11'7" at 6'3".
Fastest way to improve is probably going to be off 2-feet, as it is a more strength-dominant move and strength is an easier quality to improve than reactivity. If you hit the gym hard getting your squat strength up while doing some 2-foot jumping exercises, you should be able to improve 3-4" in your first year or so of hard training for vertical leap. That might push you over the edge to be able to get your dunk.
11 feet is top of the square. You telling me you can go 7 inches above top of the square off 2 feet? I want to see.
I'll try to get some video now, even though my vert is down just a tad since my college volleyball career is over and I've been training MMA now. The other day I got an 11'4" touch off an approach so I am down a little but still fairly close to my peak jump. Here's the best pictures I had up on my Facebook that show it. The pic I attached in in my garage gym last summer. The beam is at 9'6" and I have to duck to avoid hitting it.
dude that is awesome! What was your program (roughly) that got you there??
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honest_lifter wrote:
dude that is awesome! What was your program (roughly) that got you there??
Well... I've gone through a lot of different crap, but this post from Kelly Baggett basically sums it up:
Knowing that youâ??re probably gonna ditch what Iâ??m fixing to say in favor of a bunch of complicated BS that will take you the next 6 months of your training time to figure out, hereâ??s a very simple answer as to what Iâ??d recommend you do:
1. Get stronger. Until youâ??re going all the way down with 300 lbs on your back you simply donâ??t have the raw horsepower necessary to blast 192 lbs up in the air like youâ??d want.
2. After you accomplish #1, shift into more explosive work.
3. There is an easy (fast) way and a hard (long) way to accomplish the above.
A: The easy way consists of going to the gym every monday and friday or Monday and Thursday. On one day knock out sets of 5 in the squat followed by some Glute Hams for sets of 6-8. On the other day knock out sets of 6-8 in the bulgarian split squat followed by some more glute hams.
Maybe do some light squats as well just to keep the feel of the movement. Try to put more weight on the bar everytime you hit Mondays workout. Do this until you can throw around 300 for reps.
Prior to your workouts on Monday and Friday, as well as on Wednesday, do a low volume of some garden variety plyometric drills such as a few sets of lateral jumps, low squat hops and low box depth jumps or whatever else you want. They all do pretty much the same
B: Iâ??ll let others tell you about the hard way.
4. Once you have accomplished #3 you will now have a bigger motor in your car and can then focus on modifying that motor to get the most out of it.
4A. Keep the same basic schedule in place. Monday and Thursday or Monday and Friday etc. On one day do some depth jumps followed by some wave loaded jump squats for sets of 5 for a total of 4-5 sets of depth jumps and 8 sets of squats. The squat weights will vary between 20-50% of your max.
Do one set with more weight followed by one set with lighter weight and alternate back and forth until youâ??ve done all 8 sets. At the very end of your workout you might do a few sets of 3 reps with 80% of your squat, as well as a few glutehams, just to maintain your strength.
4B. On the other weekly workout make it a workout based around jumping and sprinting for PRs. Simply go out and get warmed up and try to jump as high as possible from a variety of starts (running, single leg, standing, bouncing off a box). Maybe add in some sprints if you want.
5. When you no longer are getting consistent weekly results from 4A and 4B (which might take 3 weeks and might take a couple of months), then itâ??s time to start over with #1.
6. Keep repeating Steps 1 through 5 for as many years as you like until you either get to where you want to be or until you get old, gray and worn out
I've tried a lot of the complicated shit but what has worked well basically comes down to the advice given by Kelly. I had pretty good but not great natural hops, I touched 10'10" from an approach and 10'5.5" from a standing jump my senior year of high school when I really started training. I also couldn't even squat 135 to parallel. By senior year I was squatting 425 and deadlifted 515 and I was going 11'7" from approach and 11'3" from the stand. |
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TheBodyGuard wrote:
11 feet is top of the square. You telling me you can go 7 inches above top of the square off 2 feet? I want to see.
Also, I thought this sounded off but wasn't sure. According to this:
http://www.basketball.com/...les/rule1.shtml
The top of the square is 11'6". I was thinking, "man, I'm pretty sure I can't get 7" above the top of the square" but I know that I have had my spike touch accurately tested several times at college and also during a workout with a professional team in Europe. That makes more sense to have the top of the square be 11'6" although I guess that's an official NBA backboard. I know I've seen some crappy playground backboards that I could slap my whole hand over the square, which probably was just 12". |
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jtrinsey wrote:
And here is a 64" hurdle off a two step. Was scared to try to box jump this and wipeout so I just did a hurdle. Did it on a challenge (and because the girl's soccer team was also in the weightroom and I was trying to be cool) after squatting. Note the high-top Chucks for extra style points.
thats very impressive man... did I mention i'm on the soccer team.
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Thanks Jtrin. I am currently doing 531 and before was following Waterbury stuff which was great. I have yet to see how 531 works out but i am doing it to get stronger. I am 6'2" @ 200 w/ ~9 % body fat. (abs are still visible, 33 1/2 waist in morning) I put on weight faster than strength so i hope this balances things out a little. I would kill to have those jumps! I am going to put a little plyo like you mentioned; some depth jumps and such after my workout days and see if that can help. |
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Kelly had a quote that is something like:
You will be happy with your vert when you:
1.) Squat 2x bodyweight
2.) Are sub-10% bodyfat
3.) Can do 20 hurdles over a knee-high string in 10 seconds
I was a little bit below all three of those; 425 squat but was 215-220 at the time, about 12% bodyfat and could do 17-18 of the hurdles in 10 seconds. I was at about 36" from the stand and 40-41" from the run, so I'd imagine anybody who could hit all three of those goals would be at comparable numbers.
What's your squat at right now? |
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