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jaecity80
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Box jumping has grown in popularity as a training tool for athletes of all types.
However;I see some people when they box jump and hit some pretty high box jumps(mostly taller athletes ) They dont really " JUMP" they kinda just pull their legs up and tuck jump
Compared to people in my oppionion who are doing it right and they DIP/DESCEND USING THEIR GLUTED AND HAMSTRINGS .... hERE some examples of the right an wrong way,. let me know what you think ?


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Um, well I can't say either is wrong. This is not the squat, you don't have reach parallel before jumping so. If someone can stand still with barely bent legs and hit 54 compared to someone who does a stretch bounce I consider the third video the most impressive.

It's about explosiveness, so who cares if your go down two inches or twelve, if you hit 54 you hit 54.

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I find the 3rd video the leaste impressive,an the 1st one the best, for the following reasons:
The 1st athlete is 5"7 and is jumping on to a 57inch box that is close to his height ; compared to the last video where the Athlete is 6"4 . The point im tryning to make is since his legs are so long due to his height hes not actually jumping rather he is just pulling his legs up to his chest which can get the job done.
Even Athelete 2 is 5"10 , i find them both more impressive and to be correct because they are using the "Stretch reflex" which is techincaly how your supposed to jump not TUCK YOUR LEGS UP to your chest

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jaecity80 wrote:
I find the 3rd video the leaste impressive,an the 1st one the best, for the following reasons:
The 1st athlete is 5"7 and is jumping on to a 57inch box that is close to his height ; compared to the last video where the Athlete is 6"4 . The point im tryning to make is since his legs are so long due to his height hes not actually jumping rather he is just pulling his legs up to his chest which can get the job done.
Even Athelete 2 is 5"10 , i find them both more impressive and to be correct because they are using the "Stretch reflex" which is techincaly how your supposed to jump not TUCK YOUR LEGS UP to your chest


Sure, for a vertical, the correct way of jumping is to descend and use the stretch reflex. However, Brian Cushing, the guy in the third video, is a linebacker. He will not have time to descend and jump. He has to learn how to jump without having to descend all the way. As he will be running or already in athletic position, he will not have the advantage of descending before jumping. He needs to learn to jump explosively from a more upright position.

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thats not brian cushing

and from a performance aspect only not comparing what each athlete is going to do on the playing field cause all of them are athletes..

Hes Tucking his Knees to his chest to place his feet on the box not jumping compared to the other 2 whom are performing a plyometric reflex to perform a Jump. i wish someone with a trained Eye could see what i am talking about

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Is there a jump-up-on-the-box-nation.com? You might get more sophisticated box-jumping feedback there. Here, we mostly pick up heavy shit and then set it back down.

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jaecity80 wrote:
thats not brian cushing

and from a performance aspect only not comparing what each athlete is going to do on the playing field cause all of them are athletes..

Hes Tucking his Knees to his chest to place his feet on the box not jumping compared to the other 2 whom are performing a plyometric reflex to perform a Jump. i wish someone with a trained Eye could see what i am talking about


You're right. It's not. That's my bad.

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Just because the big guy didn't descend as much doesn't mean he isn't "jumping." His feet still made it onto a box that was at chest height. Also being taller means that a descent of the same distance will appear shorter(although I do agree his descent is short).

I'd love to point Whiteflash to this thread, dude knows his shit about jumping/jump training.

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jaecity80
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who is white flash,... Please bring him here cause i am a pretty good jumper id like to say my self and athlete to say my self
and VIDEO THREE IS NOT JUMPING HE IS PULLING HIS LONG LEGS TO HIS CHEST AND PLACING THEM ON THE BOX. HE IS LEAVING THE GROUND 5-10 INCHES IF THAT , WHICH SHOWS A SERIOUS LACK OF STRENGHTH IN THE HAMSTRINGS MORE SPECIFICALLY POWER, THATS WHY HE CANNOT DECEND ...............YEAH

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I know what your saying...but on the other hand, it kinda sounds like you're short and think it looks ugly when tall people jump




for box jumps/jumping onto anything, even though everyone's feet start on the same level, the fact that taller (or simply longlegged)atheletes' hips are at a higher starting position, technically there is less of a gap to bridge I suppose....as far as styling, mechanics will make a difference in how it looks, as well as having long ass gangly legs sticking out everywhere (however, you arent going to see anyone NOT tuck for a max-height box jump, so I dont know what your problem is there exactly)


but really, there is no sport of box jumping that I know of, whether strictly for height or style points, so as long as they perform on the field they are probably concerned less about this than you are....and it still makes you sound like you're insecure

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In the second video I would like for you to look at the screen when the video ends. You will clearly see that your "correct" jumper has his knees to his chest.


Weaksauce argument

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@tommy thoughts both video one and two pull their knees to their chest or close to it, in order to land or people would regularly be doing STRAIGHT LEG>?50+ INCH jumps which would be a vertical.. so..

@Brian M. i am not short i am 5"10.5-5'11. all im trying to say is,when they dont dip.(not using ham strings to propell their bodies upward.)i have seen taller athletes do it right....but the taller you are the higher amount of box hight you can get away with getting on by kinda TUCK JUMPING . i know somebody knows what i mean....and btw i am the ahtlete in video 2...

and also i know theres no box jumping competition etc. just used as training so its not a big deal.

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There's no manual on box jumps, and bending extra isn't a guarantee to jump higher. If your reflexes are good then yes bending deeper will help. But if your body isn't built to bend like that yet then it will only hurt. So it may be impressive to you and whoever else deems it neccessary to rate box jump vids, but to everyone else in the world it's just training tool. And long as he's reaching HIS maximum height and training his reflex he will benefit just as much if not more from it.

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jaecity80 wrote:
@tommy thoughts both video one and two pull their knees to their chest or close to it, in order to land or people would regularly be doing STRAIGHT LEG>?50+ INCH jumps which would be a vertical.. so..

@Brian M. i am not short i am 5"10.5-5'11. all im trying to say is,when they dont dip.(not using ham strings to propell their bodies upward.)i have seen taller athletes do it right....but the taller you are the higher amount of box hight you can get away with getting on by kinda TUCK JUMPING . i know somebody knows what i mean....and btw i am the ahtlete in video 2...

and also i know theres no box jumping competition etc. just used as training so its not a big deal.


That would be freaking nuts if somebody could straight legged jump 50in. onto a box. But what is the difference between your tuck and the tuck of a taller athlete? I feel like it is comparable to foot placement on squats. Some people are able to push more weight by going with a wider stance just like some people can get away with a little more tuck. It doesn't make either one wrong or right. A 50 in. box jump is a 50. in box jump.

Solid jump btw

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thanks man....

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red04 wrote:
Just because the big guy didn't descend as much doesn't mean he isn't "jumping." His feet still made it onto a box that was at chest height. Also being taller means that a descent of the same distance will appear shorter(although I do agree his descent is short).

I'd love to point Whiteflash to this thread, dude knows his shit about jumping/jump training.



Thanks man. I just saw this. Whatever questions/comments I can answer or provide let me know.

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hey whiteflash, it appears to that the 3rd jumper had the least crouching point in comp to the other 2 jumpers

and both were bending at knee length or lower to gain hight and velocity to make the touchdown.would i be correct that the 3rd jumper be most impressive based on the lack of crouching(if you look above i'm agreeing with original poster) do you agree or not i'm interested either way since i'm jump ignorant...

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bartonmlee wrote:
hey whiteflash, it appears to that the 3rd jumper had the least crouching point in comp to the other 2 jumpers

and both were bending at knee length or lower to gain hight and velocity to make the touchdown.would i be correct that the 3rd jumper be most impressive based on the lack of crouching(if you look above i'm agreeing with original poster) do you agree or not i'm interested either way since i'm jump ignorant...



What's up Bart? I don't really understand what the op's getting at about the exaggerated dip. In any random jump in any athletic setting I doubt you'd ever see anyone dip lower than a quarter squat. Basically the same position as the catch in a powerclean. Jumping is not powerlifting judged squat.

It's about exploding as hard and fast as possible [yeah I said it]. Dipping too low takes away from your ability to generate that explosion. I think it's a good training tool and would potentially add to your traditional jumping, but it definitely shouldn't be the way you jump or test jumping exclusively.

Also, everyone of the jumpers in those vids tucked their knees into their armpits so I'm not really sure what the op's talking about with the exaggerated tuck. With that, to me the first vid is the most impressive. Not only does the kid have bounce, he's balanced and flexible. That's not an easy landing to stick and he got it off the bat [as far as we know].

Here's a vid of me jumping on a Ford Focus. It's 60" or 62", don't remember.







If you pause at 10 seconds you can see my knees are between my naval and my chest, or would be if I wasn't so bent forward at the waist. Straight legged I was at least 36" off the ground. That kind of tuck is damn near inevitable when you're getting into high level jumping tricks.

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jaecity80: Shut up, your embarrassing

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jaecity80
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@ Timme. GTFOH

@ Whitwflash.. I see where you are coming from. I dont beleieve that squats or olmpic lifts equate to jumping ability unless one is lacking serious basic strength. I do neither exercises except for , front squats to maintain strength ( i used to be a big squat junkie but it hindered my speed)
You made the point about exploding as fast as posible . I Agree, athlete three used so much momentum , so much arm movement and walked up to the box rolling the jump basically-
When i do a vertical Jump i do not dip nearly as that low, its a very SHARP countermovement

The original point i tried to make was- any body who knows the mechanics of the human body will be able to spot the weakness of the THIRD VIDEO. thus being my major. DECENDING OR LOWERING IS A FUNCTIONG OF THE HAMSTRING. SO A low decend is screaming WEAK hamstrings, and no1 can jump HIGH with weak Hammies. TUCK JUMP THAT BOX. I DECLARE THIS THREAD OVER LOL

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jaecity80 wrote:
@ Timme. GTFOH

@ Whitwflash.. I see where you are coming from. I dont beleieve that squats or olmpic lifts equate to jumping ability unless one is lacking serious basic strength. I do neither exercises except for , front squats to maintain strength ( i used to be a big squat junkie but it hindered my speed)
You made the point about exploding as fast as posible . I Agree, athlete three used so much momentum , so much arm movement and walked up to the box rolling the jump basically-
When i do a vertical Jump i do not dip nearly as that low, its a very SHARP countermovement

The original point i tried to make was- any body who knows the mechanics of the human body will be able to spot the weakness of the THIRD VIDEO. thus being my major. DECENDING OR LOWERING IS A FUNCTIONG OF THE HAMSTRING. SO A low decend is screaming WEAK hamstrings, and no1 can jump HIGH with weak Hammies. TUCK JUMP THAT BOX. I DECLARE THIS THREAD OVER LOL



I disagree about the squats and olympic lifts. At my all time "springiest" all I did [for legs] was back squats and hang cleans with maybe some leg curls and calves thrown in and played ball maybe once a week and I was jumping outta the building. Jtrinsey [who posts here] said once - and I'm paraphrasing - That "naturally springy people benefit from strength work and occasionally jumping". I butchered the quote but agree whole heartedly with it's message. I'd actually put money on if you added weight to your back squat and clean and gained a little muscle your vert and speed would increase with little direct jump/speed training. That goes for everyone here.

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jaecity80 wrote:
@tommy thoughts both video one and two pull their knees to their chest or close to it, in order to land or people would regularly be doing STRAIGHT LEG>?50+ INCH jumps which would be a vertical.. so..

@Brian M. i am not short i am 5"10.5-5'11. all im trying to say is,when they dont dip.(not using ham strings to propell their bodies upward.)i have seen taller athletes do it right....but the taller you are the higher amount of box hight you can get away with getting on by kinda TUCK JUMPING . i know somebody knows what i mean....and btw i am the ahtlete in video 2...

and also i know theres no box jumping competition etc. just used as training so its not a big deal.



I'm just curious to what kind of athlete you are sense you're so keen to make it known in every one of your posts. Do you compete in any sports or are you just an expert at box jumping?

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crossfitter?

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Alex L.
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it doesnt even look like the guy in video 2 makes it all the way up. the video stops too soon.

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Alex L. wrote:
it doesnt even look like the guy in video 2 makes it all the way up. the video stops too soon.

I completely agree. He probably fell.

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