I'm not going to actually respond to you,I don't have the type of time. Although, you must have A lot of time on yours to write a short story about how I'm " Ignorant." Next time you point fingers, make sure yours are clean first. Best wishes

Whoever said olympic lifting doesn't improve your vertical...WRONG!
Whoever said squatting doesn't improve your vertical (overall)...WRONG!

Yes, squatting heavy (which I'm currently doing to build limit strength) does temporarily slow me down and has caused negative fluctuations in my hops. However, since I've been doing jump training (plyos twice a week with a game a week at least of basketball) along with the heavy squatting/pulling program my hops have returned. Do I think I'm getting maximum explosive power from my body right now? Probably not.

But honestly, I'm trying to have my cake and eat it, too. There's a reason people do strength gaining in the OFF-season. Trying to do both is a bitch, but so far has worked.

Hit 6 sets of 3 reps of 50 inch standing box jumps today AFTER hang snatching 80 kg for reps, squatting 110 kg for reps, and depth jumping for reps. So yeah, I'd say my hops have definitely started to come back. Maurice, a trainer up at Hank's who used to play in the NFL told me they'd always do their plyos after squatting. Another weightlifting coach of mine, Oleg, told me to "always do jumps after weights, not before." Doing jump practice hopefully "rewires" your muscle fibres to recover/build in the Type IIb state after heavy squatting activates all of them.

And you guys be nice to WhiteFlash. He's a very knowledgeable guy and an expert jumper. This dude is taking time out of his day to help y'all. Treat him with some more respect.

Turbo, you old honey dripper. You had me at hello, haha. It's cool man. The two clowns that were trying to argue with me got shut down pretty quick.

never been real impressed by box jumps. it's not a true test of vert.

Belligerent,

How is a box jump not a true test of a vertical jump? Other than jumping to reach a lever/degree at an NFL Combine or the like I would definitely say that a box jump is in fact a true test of ones vertical jumping capacity.

I never was shut down, and all hail white flash as god of jump and sprints? Why would I ever do that. Who are you?
Your friend just further validated my point; perhaps, you should review my previous comments that you seem to have been oblivious to. Actually i will reiterate one more time; like i said before, i was CURRENTLY In training IN SEASON so heavy squats were eliminated for reasons such as DOMS and recovery. I also mentioned Limit Strength numerous times which is imperative to build and maximize potential.

Squats and olympic lifts alone will Not improve vertical jump.

Training cleans and squats will most definitely improve vertical jumping ability and sprinting ability. Will you max out on your potential solely on power cleans and squats - no. There is a balance between the strength and power gained by the squats/olympic lifts/explosive lifts and the technique for sprinting/jumping. Take somebody who can clean/squat high numbers, but has shit ass form for sprinting/jumping, and there sprinting/jumping numbers will probably suck.

I agree with all that WhiteFlash has been stating, I just dont think that jaecity80 or AMG are being open minded enough to actually take that point. Generally if somebody can squat or clean with proper form, they are going to have some level of proper jumping technique. Probably not perfect, but average since there is a pretty close crossover between mechanics of jumping and cleans/power cleans/squats. And before you jump on that previous statement, no I'm not saying they are identical technique, but if you want to be black and white about it, cleans/squats incorporate a decent/eccentric joint range of motion into knee flexion, hip flexion, and ankle dorsiflexion, with a power output/concentric joint range of motion going into hip extension, knee extension, and ankle plantarflexion; sounds quite familiar to the mechanics of a jump if I'm not mistaken.

Along the same lines of what WhiteFlash said, I could probably just train somebody's dorsiflexor strength and hip flexor ROM and could improve their jump. There are so many factors that go into it - strength, power output, technique, mobility, etc....it's all a balance!

And jaecity80, one thing that you keep saying is those with weak hamstrings won't be able to jump. During a jump, 40% of the power output is created by the glutes, followed next by the hamstrings at 25%. So yes, weak hamstrings will hinder your jump, but ultimately it is glute power/strength that is the largest contributor. And what motion do both the hamstrings and glutes have in common? I'm sure you are able to answer that being in the middle of your nutrition and ex. science degree, but I'll put it out there anyways...Hip Extension (see above breakdown of squat/clean/jumping mechanics to see what ROM is performed during the concentric phase of those exercises/activites). Hamstrings also contribute to knee flexion, which is why they are only 25% of the power output during a jump. And before I get questioned on my background, I have my undergrad in Health Science/Athletic Training, a Masters of Science, have my national athletic training certification, state licensure in athletic training, have been working in the collegiate setting for the past 3-4 years, have continued my education with NASM PES and CES certifications, and done extra work in several performance enhancement facilities outside of the collegiate setting.

On an outside note away from "jump training" and "box jumps", the best advice I have for you jaecity80 is to just become humble. I do not claim to know everything and look forward to learning more as I advance in my career, but am confident in what I do know. You are obviously confident in what you feel you know as well, but you have not yet put in the time. I knew several of my peers who were a lot like you - felt they knew it all already, very stuck in their own ways. Realize that there is a lot to learn. Be open minded. Never automatically shoot down an idea just because it contradicts your own. You can always learn something from every point of view, whether you agree with it or not.

Novel over! :)
-LH