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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 54

my before photos, year 2003:






my recent photos, year 2007 and 2008:









the training: I train with weights ~4 times a week. Standard exercises. I do a lot of cardio - usually inline skating, ice skating, and brazilian jiujitsu. During winter cardio is 4-5 times a week in duration of 1.5h. During warm season cardio is mostly long distance urban inline skating, duration 2-6h daily. I often travel 50-100 km per day on skates.

here is a bit of ice skating at the local ice rink:

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here is a list of nutrients i have eaten on my cutting diet:

http://xideout.com/...lji_ishrane.htm

and a list of food, but its in my own language so hard to understand

http://xideout.com/...pisak_hrane.htm

i will try to list the food i try to eat now, this is after some recent reviews and suggestions from a number of people:

FOOD, cutting diet:

as soon as i wake up - 125ml milk 0.9% fat + one half dose of whey

breakfast, lunch, dinner, ie main meals throughout the day:
chicken breast ~150g raw
yogurt (milk product) 0.9% fat - 250ml
bread, any (white or integral) - 50-80g
egg whites 100g

i try to leave one portion of chicken breast from one of meals above to eat just before going to sleep

i also try to tweak food intake as to eat more calories before and after training, but i often fail and eat most calories in the morning instead :)

twice a day, some sort of snack -
snack a: peanut filled precels 50g + rice/chocolate candy bar or snikers chocolate bar
snack b: some chocolate bar (with rice or snikers (has peanuts) and some fruit, one or two pieces of fruit such as apples or bananas

during / after training:
whey protein 1 dose with 250ml milk 0.9% fat and 20-40 g carbs (i throw in any carbs i can find such as plain sugar or dextrose or nesquik) i drink one half in the middle of training and one half after training

and finally before sleep i prepare 125ml milk + 0.5 dose whey, and put it beside my bed, if/when i wake during night, i drink it

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supplementation:
whey protein, about 2 doses daily, with low fat milk

vitamins and minerals in abundance, usually some multivits like "daily complete" and similar + I throw in additional zink, magnesium, potassium

i take 3-4 fish oil pills

2 months per year while cutting, i take some drugs such as caffeine (300-400mg), ephedrine(50mg), clenbuterol(40-60mcg) and winstrol(40mg) - these help in preventing catabolism, save strength on diet, and speed up fat burning


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Weasel42
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Join date: Jun 2006
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1. Really good transformation.
2. Thanks for owning up to the clen and winstrol right off the bat.
3. If I was you, I would work on adding mass to my calves and lats.
4. Stay strong brother, keep up the good work!

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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 54

Weasel42 wrote:
1. Really good transformation.
2. Thanks for owning up to the clen and winstrol right off the bat.
3. If I was you, I would work on adding mass to my calves and lats.
4. Stay strong brother, keep up the good work!



thanks

as i just responded in other topic:

regarding clen - while it seems it works (ie i can feel the effects, more strength on training, and when i cut it off i sleep half the day over), i only use very low dosages, such as 2 tablets per day, sometimes 3, and 4 is absolute max. (most people start with 5). combining it with 300-400mg caffeine and 50mg ephedrine gives solid results

as for winny... i really cant tell if it does anything at all. except make me piss every 2 hours. i don't think i will be using it ever again.

btw
no point in not telling what i am using, i would only by lying myself otherwise. besides, i know that clen and winny are playing really a minor role in the duration and dosages i am using.

calves are actually good, i am satisfied, and further, they can never grow much bigger as i train them a lot (cardio)

lats - yeah i am working on that, and upper body generally is my priority

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The Mighty Stu
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Join date: Oct 2002
Location: New York, USA
Posts: 4118

Amazingly transformation bro. Definitely deserve a pat on the back. Nice summary as well.

S

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Sikkario
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Join date: Nov 2007
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 503

One Word: Inspiring.

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Pipes06
Level 1

Join date: Mar 2006
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 729

dude.....lemme just say NO HOMO on this but you look fucking sweet...and seeing the before....DAYYUMM good fuckin work

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Sikkario
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Join date: Nov 2007
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 503

You are the shit dude, I want to post something like this. Just like this.

You look like a totally different dude bro.

You want from spud to like, action hero.

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Waittz
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Join date: Nov 2004
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 180

did you ever workout before? or did you decide to just start and use clen n win your frist time around hitting the weights. Im not hating on you, just curious.

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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 54

thanks for the comments, let me post the updated pics and answer some questions:

end of feb 2008:




regarding use of clen, i have trained with weights for 2 years before taking it for the first time, then i have taken it once again 1 year after that.

before that, i did not really train with weights, but i did exercise for 15+ years: trained soccer for 10 years, bicycling (crossed about 10K miles) and running long distance (10-20 km tracks). in all that time my legs grew (thighs) but upper body was very bad.(occasionally went to the gym like everyone else but no real work there)

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muscle_meathead
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Join date: Dec 2004
Location: Northwest Territories, CAN
Posts: 447

good job, you went from a skinny-fat guy to a aestheticly pleasing physique. congrats

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thatkid
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Join date: Feb 2007
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 30

do you play ice hockey or can you just skate really well?

im only asking because ive played hockey all my life and ive just started to train sport specific

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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
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thatkid wrote:
do you play ice hockey or can you just skate really well?

im only asking because ive played hockey all my life and ive just started to train sport specific



i have never played hockey, just skating for fun...

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Dispenser
Level 1

Join date: Nov 2007
Location: Hawaii, USA
Posts: 111

In the second photo, you look like a marshmallow with the flu.

But in the AFTER pics you look hard as nails.

Awesome transformation!

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bushidobadboy
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Join date: Nov 2004
Location: Wales
Posts: 11805

Nice work there.

Don't underestimate the role of winstrol as an aid to retaining muscle whilst cutting.

Also, there is no physiological reason why winstrol would increase your rate of urine production and/or frequency of urination.

It is more likely to be the caffine, ephedrine and/or clenbuterol.



Bushy

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BodyBldgBabe
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Join date: Sep 2006
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 3240

Great job! You look fantastic.













That's sweet you still own a Care Bear ;->

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Foxen
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Join date: May 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 116

I'd hit it ;)

The girl in your avatar that is....

haha just kidding, you look great - I like your legs :) Not huge, but very "athletic"

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BodyBldgBabe
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Join date: Sep 2006
Location: Florida, USA
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Wait a minute...you eat junk food daily??? Are you being serious?

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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 54

bushidobadboy wrote:

Don't underestimate the role of winstrol as an aid to retaining muscle whilst cutting.

Also, there is no physiological reason why winstrol would increase your rate of urine production and/or frequency of urination.

It is more likely to be the caffine, ephedrine and/or clenbuterol.


Bushy


i guess you are right... caffeine/ephedrine must be causing that effect.

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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
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BodyBldgBabe wrote:
Wait a minute...you eat junk food daily??? Are you being serious?


yes i eat "junk food" daily in smaller quantities

would not really call it junk food it is ok if taken moderately, it gives some slow carbs, some good fats and some protein
(rice/peanuts content)

those are:

peanut filled precels(PARDON SA KIKIRIKIJEM 45g each), rice filled chocolate (BONZITA, 30g each), snikers bar (chocolate+peanuts, 55g each)
i also eat fruit in smaller quantities (such as apples or bananas, 2-3 pieces)
and also peanuts and walnuts (50g of each)

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A-Dizz
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Join date: Feb 2007
Location: New York, USA
Posts: 1632

Very inspiring transformation. Regardless if you were clean or not it still takes hard work to achieve what you have done. Clen and Winny ain't gunna do that for you, you have to earn it.

Your back looks really good, do you have a pic of a lat spread? Your mid-upper back is especially impressive.

Again, great transformation. This is how it's supposed to be done, people.


-dizzle

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jsbrook
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Join date: Mar 2005
Location: New York, USA
Posts: 9442

BodyBldgBabe wrote:
Wait a minute...you eat junk food daily??? Are you being serious?


Here's the thing. Despite the dogma around here, some 'unclean' food in your diet is NOT going to kill your physique. The rules are a bit different when you are actively loosing fat. Also when adding mass and trying to minimize fat gain. But when you've reached your goal and are active (ie. play sports and/or skate) in addition to a solid lifting program, you can relax a bit. You should have the vast bulk of your calories from clean, natural, ou unprocessed food. But if you have a solid base or muscle, are quite active, and you're MAINTAINING your physique, most people can afford a little leeway. I need a lot of calories to maintain. The vast majority are 'clean'. But if the furnace is hot enough, anything will burn.

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Protoculture
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Join date: Aug 2007
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Posts: 332

Nice work on the transformation and your lady friend.

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Aragorn
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Join date: Feb 2003
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bushidobadboy wrote:
Nice work there.

Don't underestimate the role of winstrol as an aid to retaining muscle whilst cutting.

Also, there is no physiological reason why winstrol would increase your rate of urine production and/or frequency of urination.

It is more likely to be the caffine, ephedrine and/or clenbuterol.



Bushy



Is it just me or is the Winny dose really small? I thought I remembered seeing that typical doses of Winny were about twice that dose? Or am I nuts?

Good progress OP. My .02 --- check out Thib's back specialization article for back width exercises...

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bushidobadboy
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Join date: Nov 2004
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Aragorn wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Nice work there.

Don't underestimate the role of winstrol as an aid to retaining muscle whilst cutting.

Also, there is no physiological reason why winstrol would increase your rate of urine production and/or frequency of urination.

It is more likely to be the caffine, ephedrine and/or clenbuterol.



Bushy


Is it just me or is the Winny dose really small? I thought I remembered seeing that typical doses of Winny were about twice that dose? Or am I nuts?

Good progress OP. My .02 --- check out Thib's back specialization article for back width exercises...


It is a low dose, if you consider that there are no injectables in there.

However some people are strong responders, plus it takes less anabolics to retain muscle whilst cutting than to build muscle whilst bulking.

Bushy

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sszgo
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Join date: Feb 2008
Location: Germany
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Is it just me or is the Winny dose really small? I thought I remembered seeing that typical doses of Winny were about twice that dose? Or am I nuts?


yeah. low dose, i take 30 or 40 mg per day (3 or 4 10mg tabs)
just a bit to save the muscle. i will probably try the next cutting phase without it though, just gonna keep the protein high and well balanced through out the day...


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