Most scientists believe that flu vaccinations will reduce mortality rates by about 50%. An unflinching look at the statistics may suggest the percentage is closer to 0.
TC - The one argument I will make in regards to your article (although there are many I could) is that even if you suppose that a 'regular' flu shot hypothesizes what strain will be present in any given year, this year is different.
We all know that H1N1 will be the predominant strain (barring a mutation) in 2009/2010. Therefore, this year it makes sense to be innoculated and protect ourselves with a flu shot that allows our bodies to produce anti-bodies to combat H1N1 if we become exposed. It's not a 'guess' this year.
I have never recieved a flu shot, but this year I will. There are small risks with vaccinations and because I never felt like I was succeptible to flu, it was never worth the risk (no matter how small).
I think an important point that needs to be made in your article is that this isn't just any old flu this time around. It kills both healthy and unhealthy individuals and we can protect ourselves - with an H1N1 flu shot. This argument doesn't even take into account stopping the spread of the virus to others, even if it doesn't affect us personally in a dramatic fashion. You never know if the people you pass this virus onto will end up dying from it.
In my opinion (as some dude on the internet), it's worth it this year to be vaccinated.
"Personally, I'm going to apply an epidemiological version of Pascal's Wager to the question of whether I should get a Swine Flu shot or not. In other words, I can't determine the efficacy of the vaccination or the future of the Swine flu through reason, so I might as well wager that the vaccination works as I've got everything to gain and probably little to lose"
Nice out, in fact I like it a lot. The article as a whole was fairly good as well.
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TC you may enjoy reading the scientific communities response to that Atlantic article. Here is one of them (Many science blogs link to it as a " This guy wrote my thoughts before I did" type of link)
Plenty of other links to previous articles discussing the issue as well if you have the time to really delve into it.
Another, longer, "popular" article (meaning not written by scientists but written for lay-people to read). Largely considered highly accurate in the science community:
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You forgot that like most vaccines the chemicals in them are often more detrimental than the illness itself. Mercury for instance -- in many vaccines including the Flu Shot -- would you recommend taking an inferior fish oil pill over Flameout just because there is some good omega 3's in there but tons of heavy metals and other crap? OR would you for go the "benefits" to spare yourself the long term damage? Vaccines are getting out of hand. Don't bye the hype.
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You forgot that like most vaccines the chemicals in them are often more detrimental than the illness itself. Mercury for instance -- in many vaccines including the Flu Shot
1. The mercury in flu shots is not bioaccumulative. It will not stay in your body. The form used is chosen for, I dunno, this exact reason. Its purpose is to inhibit the growth of bacteria in the serum.
2. You get one flu shot per year at most. Do you live in the same state as a coal-fired power plant? Then congratulations, you probably breath in more mercury in a year than you will get from your entire lifetime's set of vaccinations.
If the flu vaccines aren't as effective as other vaccines, it would useful to know why. Vaccination has basically rid society of incredibly nasty diseases such as smallpox, measles, mumps and rubella. These are lethal and life-crippling diseases. Those vaccinations worked exactly as they were meant to.
If you ask me, young medical grad students should be clambering all over the possible flu-vaccine paradox. It's the sort of thing that leads to Nobel prizes.
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ryanjm wrote:
"little to lose"
Except your ability to walk and speak:
For your information, ANY vaccine you got in your life, from the craddle shots to that twinrix shot you took before your all inclusive vacations in the carribean can cause that. however, your odds to have that kind of side effect are something around 1/200 000. do you really feel that unlucky today?
I will bet you, right now, one million dollars that you personally would not get this condition from a flu shot.
In fact I would further bet that in your lifetime, you are hundreds of times more likely to die from a car crash, heart attack, alcohol poisoning, lightning strike, being kicked by a donkey, bitten by a snake or murdered by family member. Vaccines have a preposterously high level of safety - we're talking millions to one chances of adverse side effects and most of those are from people who didn't know they're allergic to eggs. But if you immunise millions of people, cases will turn up.
But it's about stone cold public health calculus: without vaccinations, millions would die prematurely or be crippled for life by communicable diseases.
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Very good article.
Thought I would share my experience with the H1N1 vaccination. Those of you that are considering getting this should listen up.
I work for a public safety (Police and Fire) department in Michigan. Because of our contact with the public, both law enforcement and medical related, it was strongly suggested that we get the vaccination. I supervise a shift of seven people, and we all decided that it was in our best interest to get vaccinated.
We were given the nasal version, which we were informed was a weakened live virus. We were told that we would receive a "better immunity" to the H1N1 virus by taking the nasal version (live virus) compared to the shot (dead virus). We were also advised that there was a slim possibility that we may experience some side affects such as a low grade fever and achenes as you are with any flu vaccination. Within six hours of receiving the vaccination we were all feeling ill. Three of the seven missed several day of work, and when they got back to shift they said that it was one of the worst flu's they have ever had. I for one did not miss any work, and felt better in twenty four hours.
The real kicker in this was that none of us were told that we were contagious for twenty four hours after receiving the (live virus)vaccination. I ended up exposing two out of my three kids to this virus. They ended up missing three days of school.
Now, one could speculate that this was just a coincidence and that all of us had been exposed to the flu before receiving the vaccination, but I believe that is a stretch...Moral to the story is to research what you allow these "medical professionals" to put into your body.
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all you people putting up that stupid cheerleader video have got to just cut that argument out, it is bullshit
you all say it is IMPOSSIBLE that that vaccine could help me, and LOOK it COULD hurt me
I'm pretty sure the infantessimally small chance that you would get that side effect (because you had an "underlying neurological condition") is smaller than the miniscule change that the vaccine would save your life. They just dont have any youtube videos of that.
I got the shot, as that's what gets manufactured in Australia by CSL. I don't think I've ever received a faster injection. Usually there's some banter with the nurse, a bit of how's-your-day, gee-this-weather-is-weird, etc etc. Not this time! She jammed, plunged it like a game show buzzer and yanked it out. I get the feeling she had lost the joy of injection :D
Swine Flu is quickly becoming very controversial. With thousands more deaths coming from complications from normal flu why the obsession with getting everyone vaccinated????
A U.S. based pharmaceutical company that just weeks ago was involved in a scandal involving vaccines tainted with deadly avian flu virus has been chosen to head up efforts to produce a vaccine for the Mexican swine flu...
Since the probability of mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible, this leaves no other explanation than that the contamination was a deliberate attempt to weaponize the H5N1 virus to its most potent extreme and distribute it via conventional flu vaccines to the population...
Why should Baxter be trusted, when they have already been proven to be at the very least criminally negligent, and at worst a prime suspect in attempting to carry off one of the most heinous crimes in the history of mankind?"
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el_presidente wrote:
Bead wrote:
If the flu vaccines aren't as effective as other vaccines, it would useful to know why. Vaccination has basically rid society of incredibly nasty diseases such as smallpox, measles, mumps and rubella. These are lethal and life-crippling diseases. Those vaccinations worked exactly as they were meant to.
I believe he covered this by stating that the flu mutates more than most diseases and that the medical community "guesses" each year on which vaccinations to put out.
If the flu vaccines aren't as effective as other vaccines, it would useful to know why. Vaccination has basically rid society of incredibly nasty diseases such as smallpox, measles, mumps and rubella. These are lethal and life-crippling diseases. Those vaccinations worked exactly as they were meant to.
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I believe he covered this by stating that the flu mutates more than most diseases and that the medical community "guesses" each year on which vaccinations to put out.
Analysis of material by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by Dr. Russell Blaylock. (September 5, 2009)
Critical Observations:
â?¢Doctor visits for flu are down from the level in April
â?¢Total flu hospitalizations are similar or lower than for seasonal flu (yearly flu)
The number of death secondary to flu and pneumonia is unchanged from yearly rate
â?¢Only two states are reporting widespread infectionsâ??Georgia and Alaska. Other states report only regional or sporadic activity, meaning itâ??s not very contagious.
â?¢There is no evidence that the virus has mutated at all anywhere in the world
â?¢The virus remains susceptible to the drugs Tamiflu and Relenza.
â?¢Only 43,771 cases have been reported in the United States. Because of poor reporting the CDC estimates that true numbers indicate that one million have been infected. Many people did not get sick enough to go to a doctor. Likewise, not all people are tested who go to a doctor.
â?¢Of these 5,011 have been hospitalized and 302 have died.
Death Rates From the H1N1 Flu
â?¢If we use the 43,771 figure and 302 deaths that means the death rate is 0.6%, an extremely low death rate for any flu.
â?¢The percentage of hospitalized patients who died was 6%, again a very low incidence of death.
â?¢Since the CDC estimates that one million have been infected, we must recalculate death rates. Using this more accurate figure, the death rate is in truth 0.03%, which means 99.97% will not die from this flu. Your chances of dying are incredibly low.
Age and Death Rates
We hear a lot about the unusual age distribution with this virus, especially as regards death rates, with the young being more affected than, as with seasonal flu, the elderly (90% of deaths are usually among those greater than 65 years old). The risks of becoming infected are as follows:
â?¢Ages 5 to 24 y/o--------26.7 per 100,000 (0.027%)
â?¢Ages 0 to 4 y/o ---------22.9 per 100,000 (0.023%)
â?¢Ages 25 to 49-----------6.97 per 100,000 (0.0069%)
â?¢Ages 50 to 64 y/o------3.9 per 100,000 (0.0039)
â?¢Over 65 y/o-------------1.3 per 1000,000 (0.00013%)
And the risk of needing to be hospitalized are:
â?¢Ages 0 to 4 y/o---------0.0045%
â?¢Ages 5 to 24 y/o--------0.0021%
â?¢Ages 25 to 45 y/o------0.0011%
â?¢Over 65 y/o-------------0.0017%
This indicates that for all age groups, the risk of being hospitalized are far less than 1% and well over 99% of people will not need hospitalization. This explains why this infection is being downplayed by the virologists themselves, the ones who know most about the dangers of viruses.
The distributions of death also vary considerably by age. Below is the distribution of deaths according to age.
â?¢Ages 25-49 y/o---------41%
â?¢Ages 50 to 64 y/o-----24%
â?¢Ages 5 to 24 y/o------16%
â?¢Over age 65 y/o------- 9%
â?¢Ages 0 to 4 y/o-------- 2%
So, we see that the greatest death rates in the extremely small fraction that die are between ages 25 to 49 and 65% are between ages 25 to 64. The least likely to die are babies up to age 4 years, yet they are targeted for vaccination and as we see from the above data, children below age 2 years get absolutely no protection from the flu vaccines.
Analysis of the New Government Projections to the Media
If we analyzed it according to the worst case scenario released by the government we see far lower figures than being projected:
They say 150 million Americans will be infected. That is 150 X as many now infected and represents a much larger figure than now estimated with a 6 to 6.5 % of a localized population. For the United States itself with a population slightly over 300 million, their figures indicate a 50% infection rate. There is nothing to indicate such a high infectivity rate from the past 7 months of analysis. It should also be appreciated that the infections will not occur all at once, but will slowly evolve, as we have seen thus far, meaning that at any one time a much smaller Americans will be infectedâ??which also reduces the numbers who will require hospitalizations at any one time and who will need ICU care.
As far as the number that will need hospitalization, the Government now says there will be 1.8 million people hospitalized, of which 300,000 may need ICU treatment. If we use the existing data we see that the numbers are quite different. At the time the data was taken, 303 people out of one million infected died and 5,011 needed hospitalization. This means a projected hospitalization incidence of 750,000 and a death rate of 45,000 deaths. Remember, this is using their data applied to the outrageously high figure of 50% of the population being infectedâ??that is, 150 million people.
If the infection rate is 6%, as all the studies have shown thus far, we see much smaller numbers. Instead of 150 million infected we see 18 million infected. Using these more realistic figures we can estimate a hospitalization rate of 90,000 and a projected death incidence of 5436.
Again, it is important to keep in mind that the infections will be evolving and not all at once as both sets of figures seem to imply. If we spread this over several months and waves of the infection, we see that at any one time the hospitalizations will be a much smaller number, as will the deaths. Thus far, there have been nationwide 2000 hospitalizations a months and 99 deaths a month. Certainly the hospitals in the United States can handle the increase. In the United States we have 5,759 hospitals containing 955,000 beds and 70,000 ICU beds. Most hospitalized people will not require intensive care. Most are suffering from dehydration and only require IV fluid infusion.
It should also be appreciated that most pediatric deaths and elderly deaths will occur early in the epidemic because the chronically ill and immune suppressed will become infected early. Therefore one would expect the deaths to rise initially and then fall as the infection spreads as we see from this graph:
Good article TC, what I dont understand is how having said all you have said your logic is to take it anyway. Surely your in good physical condition and your body should be able to fight off most things. Do you also get a normal flue jab?
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Lonnie123 wrote:
TC you may enjoy reading the scientific communities response to that Atlantic article. Here is one of them (Many science blogs link to it as a " This guy wrote my thoughts before I did" type of link)
Plenty of other links to previous articles discussing the issue as well if you have the time to really delve into it.
Another, longer, "popular" article (meaning not written by scientists but written for lay-people to read). Largely considered highly accurate in the science community:
It's important to understand the target audience of the Atlantic: liberal SWPL prius-driving yuppies. Not vaccinating is all-the-rage with them these days, which is why they've had outbreaks of long-eradicated diseases in states like Oregon and Washington.
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Not a chance in hell I will get this shot. If H1N1 ever reaches true pandemic proportions it will be because those who get the live attenuated virus will be infecting everyone they know. During the last Swine Flu scare in the 70's the only people who even contracted the flu were those unfortunate to get the 'shot'. Many of these died.
By the way, if someone were to die from the flu shot, and it could be proven that that shot directly resulted in the death. there is no recourse. The makers of the vaccines are immune to prosecution.
rest of the article:
Why do some die from such a mild virus?
As stated by the virologists, this virus is no more a danger than the seasonal virus that visits each year and seems to be much weaker. One may also note from the CDCâ??s own data, the previous nonsense about 36,000 dying from the seasonal flu every year is pure fiction. We have had a little over 400 deaths nationwide over the past 5 months, nowhere near the 36,000 figure screamed from the airwaves and our TV sets, yet the public is in a state of panic.
So, why are some dying from this virus? What is little understood by the general public is that the only reason people die from the flu is that they have either an immune suppressing chronic illness, such as diabetes, direct immune dysfunction, dietary deficiencies of critical immune-supporting nutrients, chronic pulmonary disease, heart disease or a cancer.
Smoking powerfully suppresses immunity as well as damages the lungs and we know that smokers are much more likely to suffer complications and die than non-smokers. Excess dietary omega-6 fats (corn, safflower, sunflower, soybean, peanut and canola oils) also severely weaken immunity. The EPA component of omega-3 oils also powerfully suppresses immunity.
A study by the CDC found that 32% of the children dying from H1N1 flu had asthma, when the incidence of asthma in the general population was 8 percent. Two thirds of the children who died had neurological disorders, such as seizures and cerebral palsy. So, the vast majority of children who are dying have one of a number of chronic health conditions, yet the media gives us the impression that perfectly healthy children are dying.
A recent study of why so many died during the 1918 flu pandemic found that most of the deaths were secondary to bacterial pneumonia and not the flu virus itself. In 1918 hospitals had little to offer a sick patientâ??there were no antibiotics, other than sulfur drugs, no IV fluids and no respiratorsâ??all they could offer was a warm bed and aspirin.
It was also disclosed that the number of flu-related deaths among children was lower this year than the previous two years.
What are the virologists saying?
Virologists are scientists who study virusesâ??their classification, their genetics, methods of spread and their ability to cause disease. No one knows more about this virus than the virologists. The British science magazine, The New Scientist, recently polled 60 virologists to get their opinion. These are the results of specific questions:
Will the virulent version of the virus appear?
â?¢Extremely likely-----------------none
â?¢Likely----------------------------5
â?¢A 50/50 chance----------------- 14
â?¢Possible-------------------------- 38
â?¢Not at all--------------------------3
What the virologists are doing personally
â?¢Stock Tamiflu or Relinza-----------------14
â?¢Stock above plus antibiotics------------- 6
â?¢Stock food, water and power source----5
â?¢Get pneumococcal vaccine---------------3
â?¢Nothing------------------------------------ 30
â?¢Hand washing, mask, etc--------------- 3
Notice there was no mention of taking the swine flu vaccine. Behind the push to vaccinate the entire population are the pharmaceutical makers of the vaccines, who are working in conjunction with the government to make the vaccine mandatory. Homeland security and FEMA are pushing for forced vaccinations and the medical experts, virologist and epidemiologist are calling for calm and resorting to voluntary vaccination only. The former have links with the vaccine manufacturers via political contacts. A great deal of money will be made by the manufacturers, should forced vaccinations be mandated.
Will this vaccine be tested?
According to Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institutes of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, 5 tests are planned. It is not clear as to the use of the squalene adjuvants, ASO3 and MF-59. Because of concerns raised, the FDA is now hedging. Independent studies of squalene used as a vaccine adjuvant indicates that it is associated with a very high incidence of autoimmune diseases, such as an MS-like neurological syndrome, rheumatoid joint disease and especially Lupus.
The developer of MF-59 is Chiron pharmaceuticals, which was purchased by Novartis pharmaceutical company, who will be the main supplier of the swine flu vaccine for the world. According to Dr. Fauci, testing in both children and adults will be without this adjuvant and he admits that we have no data on the safety in children.(See Nature Vol 460/30 July 2009, p 562 for the interview.)
There are 5 tests scheduled for safety before mass vaccinations will resume. I looked up on clinicaltrials.gov the actual studies being done. It is instructive to note that the only studies actually being done do not contain any adjuvant (the immune booster) either for babies or adults. Yet, when the mass vaccinations begin, the vaccines will have adjuvant added, possibly squalene.
The real irony here is that this is the same bait and switch game they played in the 1976 swine flu vaccine disaster. They tested one vaccine and gave a different one during the mass vaccinations. Here we go again. Over 500 people were paralyzed with Guillain Barre disorder. The incidence was much higher, because it was not a reportable disease. And over 300 people died, which is also a very low figure.
Dr. Fauci admits that they have no idea what will happen when they mix the three viruses from the vaccines together or when they are given sequentially. When he was asked if the results of the studies would be reviewed by the health authorities, he answered, yes, except for those done by the Novartis company. He justified this secrecy by saying that Norvartis had a very advanced testing system, which was done â??in-houseâ??â??that is, in secrecy.
It is also important to appreciate that this vaccine has been fast-tracked, meaning that many of the usual safety precautions used to prevent contamination of the vaccines will be overlooked by the regulatory agencies. According to a number of studies, vaccine contamination is widespread, with vaccines containing pestivirus, mycoplasma, viral fragments, DNA fragments and bacterial components, all of which can produce chronic systemic disorders, cancer, neurologic diseases and even slow brain degeneration.
The Following was composed by Dr. Russell Blaylock as a method to reduce autoimmune reactions to the flu vaccines only. Do not use this if you have the flu itself. These are just general observations and not medical advice. You should work with your doctor for a specific program.
Treatment for Toxic Vaccine Exposure
1.Place a cold compress on the site of the injection immediately after the injection and continue this for at least two days. If symptoms of fever, irritability, fatigue or flu-like symptoms reoccurâ??continue the cold compresses until they abate. A cold shower or bath will also help.
2.Take fish oilsâ??I recommend the Norwegian fish oil made by Carlson Labsâ??it has the correct balance of EPA and DHA to reduce the cytokine storm. The dose is one tablespoon a dayâ??if severe symptoms developâ??two tablespoons a day until well and then switch to one tablespoon a day. Childrenâ??one teaspoon a day.
3.Curcumin, quercetin, ferulic acid and ellagic acid as a mixtureâ??the first two must be mixed with extravirgin olive in one teaspoon. Take the mix three times a day (500 mg of each)
4.Vitamin E (natural form) 400 IU a day (high in gamma-E)
5.Vitamin C 1000 mg four times a day
6.Astaxanthin 4 mg a day
7.Zinc 20 mg a day for one week then 5 mg a day
8.Avoid all immune stimulating supplements (mushroom extracts, whey protein) except beta-glucanâ??it has been shown to reduce inflammation, microglial activation and has a reduced risk of aggravating autoimmunity, while increasing antiviral cellular immunity.
9.Take a multivitamin/mineral daily (one without ironâ??Extend Core)
10.Magnesium citrate/malate 500 mg of elemental magnesium two capsules three times a day
11.Vitamin D3:
1.All Childrenâ??5000 IU a day for two weeks after vaccine then 2000 IU a day thereafter
2.Adultsâ??20,000 IU a day after vaccine for two weeks then 10,000 IU a day thereafter
3.Take 500 mg to 1000 mg of calcium citrate a day for adults and 250 mg a day for children under age 12 years.
14.Blenderize parsley and celery and drink 8 ounces twice a day
15.Take Jatoba tea extract (add 20 drops in on cup of tea) one day before the vaccine and the twice a day thereafter. (you can get it at http://www.iherb.com/...-ml/14429?at=0) It is inexpensive.
Protection from the Swine Flu
â?¢This flu is transmitted mostly by physical contact rather than by being exposed to coughing by infected individuals. You can use a hand sanitizer and clean commonly used surfaces, such as computer keyboards, telephone speakers, countertops and door handles with sanitizer cloths.
â?¢Avoid exhaustion and extreme exercise, both of which lower immunity and greatly increase oneâ??s risk of serious reactions to the infection and even death. Get at least 8 ours of good sleep each night.
â?¢Avoid foods that suppress immunity, such as high sugar intake and consuming foods or cooking in oils that suppress immunity and increase inflammationâ??such as the omega-6 oilsâ??corn, safflower, sunflower, canola, peanut and soybean oils.
â?¢Avoid excessive intake of omega-3 containing EPA (anything over 100 mg per serving). EPA is a powerful immune suppressant, even though it reduces inflammation. This increases your risk of getting infected and having difficulty clearing the infection. The DHA component of the oil does not appreciably suppress immunity, but significantly reduces inflammation.
â?¢If you are exposed to people in high-risk situations, such as in crowded offices, theaters, airplanes and other forms of public transportation, take beta-1,3/1,6 glucan 250 mg every other day. It is to be taken on an empty stomach with any liquid. If you began to feel ill, take the beta-glucan every day until your illness clears and then every other day for one week afterwards.
â?¢Take a well-balanced vitamin/mineral. I like Extend Core (www.vrp.com). This will supply you with all the vitamins needed to support immunity, which is especially important for those over age 50â??the age of nutrient-based, aged-associated immune suppression. Take the vitamin capsule with each meal.
â?¢Vitamin D3. Children and pregnant women should take 2000 IU a day and adults should take 5000 IU once to twice a day. You should also take 500 mg of calcium citrate a day.
â?¢Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E) that is high in gamma-tocopherol, the anti-inflammatory form of the vitamin. The dose is 400 IU a day.
â?¢Buffered vitamin C 1000 mg three times a day taken on an empty stomach to prevent excess iron absorption. One should avoid taking iron supplements during infection, since it worsens the infection.
â?¢Curcumin 250 mg and quercetin 250 mg dissolved in one tablespoon of extravirgin olive oil. This greatly reduces inflammation and autoimmune development and has direct antiviral effects by inhibiting protein kinase C. Take the mixture three times a day with meals. It can be mixed with foods as desired.
â?¢Avoid all fluoride products, such as fluoridated mouthwashes, toothpaste and fluoride treatments. Fluoride has been shown to increase flu virus budding, making it easier to produce more virus within your body. It is also a cellular toxin.
â?¢Avoid other sources of mercury, such as contaminated seafoods and other mercury-containing vaccinations. Dental amalgams, in my view, should be removed by a specially trained dentist (see www. IAOMT.com for a list of such dentists). Mercury greatly increases oneâ??s risk of developing an autoimmune disease and suffering from neurological damage.
â?¢Avoid smoking. Smoking damages the protective cells lining the lungs and nicotine is a very powerful immune suppressant. This is also true for nicotine patches and gums.
â?¢Keep well hydrated. Drinking several glasses or cups of strong white tea (either as iced tea or hot tea) a day also reduces viral growth and protects the lungs against viral and bacterial damage.
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â?¢Eat a diet containing at least 5 servings of high-density fruits and vegetables, both raw and cooked. Avoid a high intake of breads and other high-glycemic foods. Avoid excessive red meats and eat more chicken and turkey that is organically raised.
In this graph we see that the hospitalization rates were either lower or barely above the seasonal flu admissions in the previous two years
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Doesn't getting immunized also help slow the spread of the virus?
If as a healthy young male I get the shot and then avoid catching the Flu or minimize its effects, wouldn;t that also minimize the chances of me spreading it to my grandma or my young daughter?
I would step in front of a bus or fight a grizzly bear to save either of them, so I think getting a shot at the 1 in 200,000 risk of being a cripple is worth it.
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I'm going to rely of the idea that everyone is going to get vaccinated, build immunity to H1N1, and not get it therefore I will not get it. Heard Immunity Baby!
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