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m_ob
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I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Llevels go as follow: FLAG
T4 (Free) 1.04 (0.89-1.76)
TSH 1.17 (.35-5.50)
LH 2.2 (1.5-9.3) L
FSH 2.5(1.4-18.1) L
Testosterone 96.7 (241-827) L
Normal CBC and Comp Metabolic
Ferratin 146.9 (22-322)
B-12 571 (211-911)
Folate 24.0 (5.38-19.64)
Hemoglobin 11.9 (13.0-16.0) L
RBC 3.97 (4.70-6.10) L
Hematocrit 34.5 (39-50)
IGF-1- 243 range (257-601) L
IGFBP-3 2.5 (2.5-4.8)
ACTH 4:00 p.m 23 (10-60) a.m range
Cortisol 12.2 (4.0-11)
DHEA 500 (250-900)
Estradiol 20 (10-36)
Prolactin 6.3 (2.6-18.1)-Don't think there's a tumor.
Androstendion 82 (44-186)
CBC AND DIFFERENTIAL all normal
WBC Normal
RBC Low L
Iron TIBC 88 (49-167)
Glucose 79 (70-110) Non-fasting
Total Protein 7.1 (6.4-8.2)
Albumin 4.9 (3.7-4.9)
Calcium 9.6 (8.4-10.6)
Alkaline Phosphatase 77 (32-122)
Total Bilirubin 0.2 (0.2-1.2)
ALT 21 (0-55)
AST 23 (12-42)
BUN 26 (8-21)
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Creatinine 1.0 (0.4-1.3)
Sodium 143 (136-145)
Potassium 4.8 (3.6-5.2)
Chloride 105 (96-108)
CO2 28 (23-33) |
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tiburontiburon
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130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6. |
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tiburontiburon wrote:
130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6.
YOU! STFU! RFN! |
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JayPierce
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m_ob wrote:
The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone
I'm no expert by any means, but your numbers look weird. Your T4 is low-normal, as is your TSH. It's your T3 that's really low (IGF-1 as well). And you cortisol is high.
Doesn't look like thyroid disease because that's usually indicated by normal-to-high T3 and low T4. But it doesn't look like hypothyroidism either, because that's usually indicated by high TSH and low T4.
In any case, I hope the docs get it sorted out for you. Best of luck. |
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m_ob
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tiburontiburon wrote:
130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6.
5"6 dude, not very tall. |
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Jereth127
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m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
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BONEZ217
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Jereth127 wrote:
m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
So you'd suggest a hypogonadal male fix his hypogonadism with squatting? Come on.
I'm sure it's possible that compound lifts generate an anabolic hormone response. But it's really not that much at all.
OP this is the wrong forum for this question. The 'Over 35' forum has a few threads dedicated to TRT and related topics. Obviously you don't want to go on TRT at this point but doing some reading can hurt at all. Familiarize yourself with some of this stuff. Ask a question if necessary but make sure you read the threads first. |
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aut-x-rs
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BONEZ217 wrote:
Jereth127 wrote:
m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
So you'd suggest a hypogonadal male fix his hypogonadism with squatting? Come on.
I'm sure it's possible that compound lifts generate an anabolic hormone response. But it's really not that much at all.
OP this is the wrong forum for this question. The 'Over 35' forum has a few threads dedicated to TRT and related topics. Obviously you don't want to go on TRT at this point but doing some reading can hurt at all. Familiarize yourself with some of this stuff. Ask a question if necessary but make sure you read the threads first.
This brings to mind the story 4est posted in the T Cell some time ago, of a 15 year old 135lb kid with low T.
http://tnation.tmuscle.com/...87&pageNo=1
or the full version
http://www.4estgimp.com/...junk/BB/Tim.txt
Not saying this is reproducible for the OP, but worth thinking about. |
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m_ob
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BONEZ217 wrote:
Jereth127 wrote:
m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
So you'd suggest a hypogonadal male fix his hypogonadism with squatting? Come on.
I'm sure it's possible that compound lifts generate an anabolic hormone response. But it's really not that much at all.
OP this is the wrong forum for this question. The 'Over 35' forum has a few threads dedicated to TRT and related topics. Obviously you don't want to go on TRT at this point but doing some reading can hurt at all. Familiarize yourself with some of this stuff. Ask a question if necessary but make sure you read the threads first.
I've been lifting all through the diagnosis, I've had wrestling practice during some of the tests too. I don't know exactly what's causing it. I think it's a leptin issue. I have extensive knowledge in the use of SERMs for a natural hpta restart but am not sure how to get the clomid anyway. |
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BONEZ217
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m_ob wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Jereth127 wrote:
m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
So you'd suggest a hypogonadal male fix his hypogonadism with squatting? Come on.
I'm sure it's possible that compound lifts generate an anabolic hormone response. But it's really not that much at all.
OP this is the wrong forum for this question. The 'Over 35' forum has a few threads dedicated to TRT and related topics. Obviously you don't want to go on TRT at this point but doing some reading can hurt at all. Familiarize yourself with some of this stuff. Ask a question if necessary but make sure you read the threads first.
I've been lifting all through the diagnosis, I've had wrestling practice during some of the tests too. I don't know exactly what's causing it. I think it's a leptin issue. I have extensive knowledge in the use of SERMs for a natural hpta restart but am not sure how to get the clomid anyway.
You are not done with puberty. Do not touch any drug that will manipulate your hormones without being under doctor's supervision. |
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tiburontiburon wrote:
130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6.
hate this type of fucking response.
anyway i had a buddy in highschool who was in the same spot as you. he said if he could he would have never done wrestling, state champ or not. the good news is after highschool his weight shot up and everything seems normal now. |
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BONEZ217
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Deorum wrote:
tiburontiburon wrote:
130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6.
hate this type of fucking response.
anyway i had a buddy in highschool who was in the same spot as you. he said if he could he would have never done wrestling, state champ or not. the good news is after highschool his weight shot up and everything seems normal now.
It's not the first time I've heard this sort of thing. Some kid posted a while back about dieting in high school for wrestling. He was complaining because he was about 8" shorter than the shortest person in his family.
The male body needs adequate calories during puberty for 'things' to work properly. I am not saying that this is cause of the problem, as I have absoltely no idea, just that I wouldn't be surprised if calorie deprivation at 16 years old didn't have some serious negative effects.
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BONEZ217 wrote:
Jereth127 wrote:
m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
So you'd suggest a hypogonadal male fix his hypogonadism with squatting? Come on.
I'm sure it's possible that compound lifts generate an anabolic hormone response. But it's really not that much at all.
OP this is the wrong forum for this question. The 'Over 35' forum has a few threads dedicated to TRT and related topics. Obviously you don't want to go on TRT at this point but doing some reading can hurt at all. Familiarize yourself with some of this stuff. Ask a question if necessary but make sure you read the threads first.
Dude but I thought squats cure everything? |
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shootingman99 wrote:
Dude but I thought squats cure everything?
you need to include milk dammit.
silly 09ers |
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Forgive my ignorance of highschool wrestling, but how does being a skinny bastard help in a sport where the objective is to pin your opponent. Being bigger and stronger would obviously help in this task. So I assume there are weigh classes, but why starve yourself to stay in a weight class? Why not just move up a weight class and not look like a a sudden light breeze could take you down? |
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BONEZ217
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Jereth127 wrote:
Forgive my ignorance of highschool wrestling, but how does being a skinny bastard help in a sport where the objective is to pin your opponent. Being bigger and stronger would obviously help in this task. So I assume there are weigh classes, but why starve yourself to stay in a weight class? Why not just move up a weight class and not look like a a sudden light breeze could take you down?
It's due to pressure from the coaches. Coaches who aren't expected to pay the medical bills of problems that occur when young men are on restricted calorie diets while still in puberty. |
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BONEZ217 wrote:
Deorum wrote:
tiburontiburon wrote:
130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6.
hate this type of fucking response.
anyway i had a buddy in highschool who was in the same spot as you. he said if he could he would have never done wrestling, state champ or not. the good news is after highschool his weight shot up and everything seems normal now.
It's not the first time I've heard this sort of thing. Some kid posted a while back about dieting in high school for wrestling. He was complaining because he was about 8" shorter than the shortest person in his family.
The male body needs adequate calories during puberty for 'things' to work properly. I am not saying that this is cause of the problem, as I have absoltely no idea, just that I wouldn't be surprised if calorie deprivation at 16 years old didn't have some serious negative effects.
it was the general sarcastic nature of the response. the sounding like not a man line just annoyed me more than anything.
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BONEZ217
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Deorum wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Deorum wrote:
tiburontiburon wrote:
130 lbs? How tall are you? You sound like a marmoset, not a man. Eat a freakin sandwich or 6.
hate this type of fucking response.
anyway i had a buddy in highschool who was in the same spot as you. he said if he could he would have never done wrestling, state champ or not. the good news is after highschool his weight shot up and everything seems normal now.
It's not the first time I've heard this sort of thing. Some kid posted a while back about dieting in high school for wrestling. He was complaining because he was about 8" shorter than the shortest person in his family.
The male body needs adequate calories during puberty for 'things' to work properly. I am not saying that this is cause of the problem, as I have absoltely no idea, just that I wouldn't be surprised if calorie deprivation at 16 years old didn't have some serious negative effects.
it was the general sarcastic nature of the response. the sounding like not a man line just annoyed me more than anything.
Oh I wasn't even talking about the monkey reference. Fuck that guy. He bumped 35 threads in the beginner forum from the last 2 months that had 10 or fewer replies. Just looking for attention. I posted a screen shot (and couldnt get all the posts into the shot) in one of the threads. |
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aut-x-rs wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Jereth127 wrote:
m_ob wrote:
I am a 16 year old in highschool and about a year ago I had some
blood work done because for the past year I have been feeling the following symptoms:
Fatigue, weakness, constant hunger, cold hands feet and intolerance, and overall lack of energy and sex drive.
In everything I used to do. The blood work came back with extremely low testosterone,
What triggered all of this happened a year ago in the summer of 2008. Starting the summer around June I weighed 130 lbs and just got
done competing at state wrestling.
When that was over I decided to cut down for next
year right away to have a better chance at doing better in wrestling.
I started eating less and less, and eventually lost 15 pounds. All of this ended around
September, so from June-September around four months I had pretty much developed an
eating disorder from my favorite sport. Before this I was at a healthy weight and
develping normally.
I have seen two endocrinologists in Iowa and have been to Mayo clinic, Rochester, MN
because they are the best at handling these problems.
I Thank you for your time..
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
So you'd suggest a hypogonadal male fix his hypogonadism with squatting? Come on.
I'm sure it's possible that compound lifts generate an anabolic hormone response. But it's really not that much at all.
OP this is the wrong forum for this question. The 'Over 35' forum has a few threads dedicated to TRT and related topics. Obviously you don't want to go on TRT at this point but doing some reading can hurt at all. Familiarize yourself with some of this stuff. Ask a question if necessary but make sure you read the threads first.
This brings to mind the story 4est posted in the T Cell some time ago, of a 15 year old 135lb kid with low T.
http://tnation.tmuscle.com/...87&pageNo=1
or the full version
http://www.4estgimp.com/...junk/BB/Tim.txt
Not saying this is reproducible for the OP, but worth thinking about.
Damn, thanks for posting those links. |
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HK24719
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Jereth127 wrote:
Dang man. Low T and levels of IGF-1...?
Sounds to me(and I am no expert so take my advice with a pince of salt) like you need squats, milk, deadlifts, milk, sandwiches and milk.
Heavy compound lifting increases T. Milk contains high levels of IGF-1 and if you drink lots of it you WILL put on a healthy amount of weight.
Are you lifting already? What are you're stats?(BF%, height, wasit size, deadlift max, squat max, press max, bench press max etc) Why did you lose 15lbs? Was it on purpose? Was it for wrestling?
Just need to point out that there isn't enough IGF-1 in milk to make a difference. Milk contributes to weight gain due to it's macronutrient content, the same as all other foods. No magic required.
Also, I've never seen any evidence that the brief rise in testosterone from training contributes to gains. After all, those that train regularly usually have lower test levels than their non-training counterparts.
Unfortunately, some training-related myths won't die. |
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Jereth127
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HK24719 wrote:
Just need to point out that there isn't enough IGF-1 in milk to make a difference. Milk contributes to weight gain due to it's macronutrient content, the same as all other foods. No magic required.
This is contrary to many peoples experiences. I have done bulking phases without milk(for some strange reason last year I thought that too much milk would make me lactose intolerant) and replicated the macro content with food(roughly, I wasn't very picky about it). While I saw some gains, they were nothing compared to the gains I saw when I decided to do GOMAD. And there are many such story's even on this very board where people have reported similar experiences.
I'm not saying IGF-1 is the sole cause of what makes milk different to an equivalent to it's macro's, but it is the logical conclusion. There is nothing to prove my opinion however, so I may well be wrong.
HK24719 wrote:
Also, I've never seen any evidence that the brief rise in testosterone from training contributes to gains. After all, those that train regularly usually have lower test levels than their non-training counterparts.
Unfortunately, some training-related myths won't die.
Again, contrary to my own experiences. Why wouldn't ANY rise in testosterone contribute to gains? The contribution may be small, but it's certainly there.
Also, I highly doubt that regular lifters have lower T levels than your average Joe sitting at a desk.
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BONEZ217 wrote:
It's due to pressure from the coaches. Coaches who aren't expected to pay the medical bills of problems that occur when young men are on restricted calorie diets while still in puberty.
A sad situation. Incompetent coaches are often responsible for putting too much pressure on athletes but how in the world does it escalate to the level of eating disorders appearing in high school sports?
Again, why do the coached not just let their athletes move up a weight class? What is the incentive to stay in the lower weight classes? |
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Jereth127 wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
Just need to point out that there isn't enough IGF-1 in milk to make a difference. Milk contributes to weight gain due to it's macronutrient content, the same as all other foods. No magic required.
This is contrary to many peoples experiences. I have done bulking phases without milk(for some strange reason last year I thought that too much milk would make me lactose intolerant) and replicated the macro content with food(roughly, I wasn't very picky about it). While I saw some gains, they were nothing compared to the gains I saw when I decided to do GOMAD. And there are many such story's even on this very board where people have reported similar experiences.
I'm not saying IGF-1 is the sole cause of what makes milk different to an equivalent to it's macro's, but it is the logical conclusion. There is nothing to prove my opinion however, so I may well be wrong.
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Also, I've never seen any evidence that the brief rise in testosterone from training contributes to gains. After all, those that train regularly usually have lower test levels than their non-training counterparts.
Unfortunately, some training-related myths won't die.
Again, contrary to my own experiences. Why wouldn't ANY rise in testosterone contribute to gains? The contribution may be small, but it's certainly there.
Also, I highly doubt that regular lifters have lower T levels than your average Joe sitting at a desk.
It isn't a logical conclusion because you cant eat IGF-1 and expect any changes in your blood levels of IGF-1. If that was the case people wouldn't waste time injecting it. It's the same reason people don't get huge from eating red meat that has been augmented with growth hormones. Anabolic hormones are added to all sorts of food. Your digestive system makes sure they don't do anything to you. Eating hormones is not an effective way to get results from them. There is some degree of oral availability, but not in the concentrations found in food.
I know that endurance athletes tend to have lower T levels than the average but I can't say for bodybuilders or power atheletes on high fat diets.
The T spike from compound lifting is overrated. Food is more anabolic than the (small) rise in T from deadlifting. It is probably counteracted by the post workout rise in cortisol anyway.
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I'll have to take your word for it as I'm no expert and I've essentially already exhausted my knowledge on the subject.
(OP, sorry for mini-hijack) |
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Jereth127 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
It's due to pressure from the coaches. Coaches who aren't expected to pay the medical bills of problems that occur when young men are on restricted calorie diets while still in puberty.
A sad situation. Incompetent coaches are often responsible for putting too much pressure on athletes but how in the world does it escalate to the level of eating disorders appearing in high school sports?
Again, why do the coached not just let their athletes move up a weight class? What is the incentive to stay in the lower weight classes?
Can anybody chime in on this question? There has to be a sweet spot of weight to height in wrestling, what with the center of gravity and so on. What's the deal here? |
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