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Pbjellytime
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I started SS again about 1.5 months ago. Right now I'm doing 175 for 3 sets of 5. But, I fight pretty hard to get this weight up, especially on the last 2 sets. Bar speed is VERY slow at the bottom of the press but I somehow manage to get it up. I would ask for a spot, but nobody is at the gym at the time I go. I'm sure that the next time I increase the weight to 180 I will get stuck.
I'm deathly afraid of having a bar crush my chest, so I'm thinking about switching to DB instead. I figure the program would have to change a little since the jumps in weight for DB are too much for me to hit 5 reps on every time. Anybody have experience/tips with this?
I thought I could do 5 reps of max weight, then the next time do 6 reps of same weight, then try 7 reps of same weight. Then I would move up to next higher weight. Excuse my noobness... |
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Omega Man
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I ran into this same problem. Since the gym was empty, I started doing my bench presses in the power rack, and set the bars to chest level.
If you have only been lifting for 6 weeks, and you're already benching 175, that's pretty dang good. Keep it up. |
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Have you tried benching in the power rack?
If you're lucky, you'll be able to set the pins right below your chest, and if you need to bail, you can just unarch your back and dump the bar |
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mr popular
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Increase reps, change to a more sensible program.
I don't believe beginners should ever be under 5 reps, much less for the most dangerous exercises that they are still trying to master technique-wise. |
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JayPierce
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I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
OP, you just need a better situation for your bench press. A power rack would be best. Mark Rippetoe says "bench press is an important lift, because it teaches us to push on stuff real hard". At first I thought it was a joke, but the more I lift, the more I understand it. You're afraid to bump it up to 180 for fear of getting buried, but in reality, increasing the weight is exactly what you need to do.
If you don't have a power rack to use, there are ways to improvise. Maybe see if they have some plyo boxes or something that you can set up on either side of the bench press station? |
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Pbjellytime
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Wow thanks, benching in the power rack never crossed my mind. I guess it's because the bench is always on the other side of the gym near the cables so I never connected the idea. Hopefully I can set the pins low enough so it'll catch the bar if I un-arch my back. If not I'll just have to settle for stopping a little higher than my chest. |
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mr popular
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JayPierce wrote:
I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
Reasoning...? |
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mr popular wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
Reasoning...?
As the set goes on fatigue builds up and as a result technique will suffer. So for beginners, who's technique probably isn't perfect to begin with, you wouldn't want a further drop in technique due to fatigue. Well I'm guessing that's what he was refering to. |
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JayPierce
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ausg wrote:
mr popular wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
Reasoning...?
As the set goes on fatigue builds up and as a result technique will suffer. So for beginners, who's technique probably isn't perfect to begin with, you wouldn't want a further drop in technique due to fatigue. Well I'm guessing that's what he was refering to.
Right on the money. |
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Bigfoot833
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JayPierce wrote:
ausg wrote:
mr popular wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
Reasoning...?
As the set goes on fatigue builds up and as a result technique will suffer. So for beginners, who's technique probably isn't perfect to begin with, you wouldn't want a further drop in technique due to fatigue. Well I'm guessing that's what he was refering to.
Right on the money.
there'd be a middle ground though. if you went for 5 reps and technique suffered in the last two, then you got 3 quality reps in that set. if you lessened the load a bit and did 8 reps and technique wasn't right for the last 3, you got 5 good reps for learning the technique, compared to 3. |
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JayPierce
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Well, it's really more of a concern for the isometrically contracted muscles. When all those muscles that hold your shoulder blades 'back and down' tire out, your form is gonna go to shit no matter what load you're using.
So let's say the average beginner can hold a good tight position for 20sec. I would rather him get five good reps with a decent weight, than get five good reps and three bad ones with a lesser weight.
EDIT: Failing a lift due to excessive load isn't too bad, it just teaches you your limits. Failing a load due to your shoulder rolling forward could be potentially disastrous.
And in no way am a suggesting that a rank beginner start with a 5RM load. Always start with less than your capability and work your way up. |
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ausg
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Bigfoot833 wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
ausg wrote:
mr popular wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
Reasoning...?
As the set goes on fatigue builds up and as a result technique will suffer. So for beginners, who's technique probably isn't perfect to begin with, you wouldn't want a further drop in technique due to fatigue. Well I'm guessing that's what he was refering to.
Right on the money.
there'd be a middle ground though. if you went for 5 reps and technique suffered in the last two, then you got 3 quality reps in that set. if you lessened the load a bit and did 8 reps and technique wasn't right for the last 3, you got 5 good reps for learning the technique, compared to 3.
Why not use the load you used for 8 reps and stop at 5? That way you get your 5 good reps, and no increased risk of injury with those extra 3? Seems the ideal situation to me. |
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Bigfoot833
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JayPierce wrote:
Well, it's really more of a concern for the isometrically contracted muscles. When all those muscles that hold your shoulder blades 'back and down' tire out, your form is gonna go to shit no matter what load you're using.
So let's say the average beginner can hold a good tight position for 20sec. I would rather him get five good reps with a decent weight, than get five good reps and three bad ones with a lesser weight.
EDIT: Failing a lift due to excessive load isn't too bad, it just teaches you your limits. Failing a load due to your shoulder rolling forward could be potentially disastrous.
And in no way am a suggesting that a rank beginner start with a 5RM load. Always start with less than your capability and work your way up.
ok sorry I get you, I wasn't thinking of retracting and holding back your shoulder blades, I was more thinking not being able to control the weight properly, and having to learn the technique more first. but yeah I agree with what you're saying about stability. |
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mr popular
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ausg wrote:
mr popular wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
I don't believe beginners should go over 5 reps on an exercise they are still trying to master technique-wise.
Reasoning...?
As the set goes on fatigue builds up and as a result technique will suffer. So for beginners, who's technique probably isn't perfect to begin with, you wouldn't want a further drop in technique due to fatigue. Well I'm guessing that's what he was refering to.
Oh right of course, you would rather have a beginner suffering form breakdown from fatigue with a weight he can only handle 5 times, as opposed to one he could handle say 10 times. That sounds much safer and more productive... oh wait no it doesn't, it sounds like he is going to hurt himself.
I also doubt he'd be able to develop any kind of mind-muscle-connection in that range. |
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