There have been a lot of threads that ask questions and talk about using what drug with what drug for X result. Just wanted to get some info up on some of the most commonly used AAS and discuss their synergy with other AAS.

We can go into detail about the whats and whys of these different stacks and also list the recommended dosage ratios and cycle legnths. To keep it simple, lets group them in these categories:

Bulking Stacks
Cutting Stacks
Maintenence Stacks

Now here is a short list of some commonly used AAS just to give us a base to start with:

Test P/C/E
D-bol
Mast
EQ
Tren Ace
Primo

So please feel free to list any combos in these categories.

Classic "bulker" if you wanna call it that is test e/c and nandrolone/deca. Did this 3 times myself and had nice surges in size and strength. Speaking as someone currently on cycle but not on Deca I do miss the increased mobility and ease of movement so many find relief with on deca.

Deca seems to have fallen out of favor with the T-Nation crowd in 2008. However, it remains a proven product which if used for specific reasons and with an understanding of potential sides can be a very effective product.

Normally Nandrolone/Deca is run at least 10-12 weeks with TestE/C run an additional 2 weeks after the last shot of Deca.

Though I love the strength from tren; I have not ruled out ever returning to Deca as a nor19 option.

Bulker: Test/Deca/Dbol - this stack is used often and with great results however my personal favorite is Test/Deca/Drol/Winstrol

Cutter: Prop/Tren/Mast, just my opinion. EQ and Primo are also great for cutting.

'Maintainence stack'???

Odd concept, but I suppose 200mg/wk of test, or 100mg/wk and 25mg proviron ED.

AlteredState wrote:
'Maintainence stack'???

Odd concept, but I suppose 200mg/wk of test, or 100mg/wk and 25mg proviron ED.

Yeah...I was kinda thinking its a bit uncommon while writting it, or maybe just the wording is uncommon.

Ive seen a few threads on here and on other boards asking about cycles that can be used to just help maintain their current condition maybe because of some simple lifestyle changes. So I just decided to call it that. I know its arguable though because most cycles will one way or the other fall into a bulking or cutting category.

Saps, Ive noticed the decline in favor of Deca too. This is actually starting to seem common on others boards as well. EQ and Tren seem to be the replacement.

So guys, how about oral cycles then? Now I know they are not commonly recmmended, but how would they fit under bulking, cutting, or maintenence?

Im thinking something like Var and Winny, or maybe Var and Primo Tabs for an oral cutting cycle. And maybe Drol and something else for bulking.

drol and winny.

drol at 100mg ED with dbol at 50mg ED.

Run for 6-8 weeks.

Then tell me how it went! :)

EDIT: It might not be the best thing for your liver. In case anyone didn't know.

balisong wrote:
drol at 100mg ED with dbol at 50mg ED.

Run for 6-8 weeks.

Then tell me how it went! :)

EDIT: It might not be the best thing for your liver. In case anyone didn't know.

No- I'd rather not.

EDIT: It might be best you didn't post on the steroid forum.

mingledorff7 wrote:
balisong wrote:
drol at 100mg ED with dbol at 50mg ED.

Run for 6-8 weeks.

Then tell me how it went! :)

EDIT: It might not be the best thing for your liver. In case anyone didn't know.

No- I'd rather not.

that made me giggle

Well, it IS a classic combo as I've found out reading about it. I didn't say it was recommended as a healthy lifestyle choice.

balisong wrote:
Well, it IS a classic combo as I've found out reading about it. I didn't say it was recommended as a healthy lifestyle choice.

Not sure where you read that it was a classic combo.
That sounds like a recipe for gyno if ever there was one in my opinion. Two of the most aromatizing AAS on the planet with nothing to help counter it.

Yuk.

InTheZone wrote:
Not sure where you read that it was a classic combo.
That sounds like a recipe for gyno if ever there was one in my opinion. Two of the most aromatizing AAS on the planet with nothing to help counter it.

Yuk.

Might be good for a guy who is heterosexual, but completely self-involved.

lol! clever!

Mak - i picture you to look like mr. Frank now, good work! :D

Brook wrote:
lol! clever!

Mak - i picture you to look like mr. Frank now, good work! :D

And I keep picturing you as JJ. :)

InTheZone wrote:
balisong wrote:
Well, it IS a classic combo as I've found out reading about it. I didn't say it was recommended as a healthy lifestyle choice.

Not sure where you read that it was a classic combo.
That sounds like a recipe for gyno if ever there was one in my opinion. Two of the most aromatizing AAS on the planet with nothing to help counter it.

Yuk.

Well, actually anadrol CAN'T aromatize, but dbol does of course. And anadrol seems to amplify the sides from aromatising compounds, so I agree it would probably lead to some decent size bitch tits. Could be good if one's ideal body was that character played by meatloaf in "fight club". :)

Arent you the poster boy for that stack though? Not doing a very good job i might add..

I havent had DBOL for ages - i miss it.. HHhmm..

balisong wrote:
InTheZone wrote:
balisong wrote:
Well, it IS a classic combo as I've found out reading about it. I didn't say it was recommended as a healthy lifestyle choice.

Not sure where you read that it was a classic combo.
That sounds like a recipe for gyno if ever there was one in my opinion. Two of the most aromatizing AAS on the planet with nothing to help counter it.

Yuk.

Well, actually anadrol CAN'T aromatize, but dbol does of course. And anadrol seems to amplify the sides from aromatising compounds, so I agree it would probably lead to some decent size bitch tits. Could be good if one's ideal body was that character played by meatloaf in "fight club". :)

Lmao! You got me, yeah the drol doesn't actually aromatize, but in the presence of another AAS that DOES aromatize, it compounds the aromatization of the other and all the negatives that go with that, by quite a bit to say the least. In the normal doseages that people tend to run these two at that is. Now if one were to run them at lower doseages combined it could certainly be doable, and with an AI etc, but even then I would rather mix in a class I or other non-aromatizing classII like winstrol for sure.

Late.

Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Saps, Ive noticed the decline in favor of Deca too. This is actually starting to seem common on others boards as well. EQ and Tren seem to be the replacement.



Of all the guys who made logs and what not; of all the proposed upcoming cycles I cannot think of anyone using Nandrolone Deca. I think mbaina is using npp and he's it

doesnt matter - :/

The judge plans on running it with my next cycle strictly to see if the lube qualitys can help soothe these shoulder probs a bit.

i plan on running test/deca this winter...probably something like 500/300 along with some adex.

these things always seem to go in waves where everyone gets down on a drug...it wasn't so long ago that everyone was saying EQ is useless and that tren shutdown was too severe.

I think the key with every drug is realistic expectations and a good understanding of how they need to be run and countering side effects.

drugs also effect people differently (deca vs tren is a good example) where some people tolerate the sides well and others can't...only way to know is to try em yourself.

Ive also noticed lots of people opting for EQ rather than Deca. Of these two drugs, what's your preference and why?

Jazz_Man1898 wrote:
Ive also noticed lots of people opting for EQ rather than Deca. Of these two drugs, what's your preference and why?

I know that the question wasn't directed at myself but I can give you my .02

Deca IMHO is better for bulking as it goes very well with test and I tolerate it very well. I also appreciate the joint lubrication and pain free workouts that also come along with it. Although it lacks in the strength department compared to the other Nor19 Tren, I don't have any issue with hunger while on deca, so I can consume massive amounts of calories at will.

EQ IMVHO is better used during a cutting cycle. Minimal bloat and for myself almost no risk of gyno from it. It does increase hunger at doses over 300mg/week however I can keep my diet under control so this is not an issue for me when cutting.

I must say that I can rationalize the use of EQ during bulking as a means to increase hunger but I still think deca will help build more muscle. When I have used EQ in cutting cycles I got very lean/vascular and overall just looked good.

Again my .02