I did a cycle of test 400mg/week and deca 500mg per week. like a dumbass, i also added nolvadex ontop of the deca which was higher than the test, real no-no.. so uh....

How long does deca shut you down? Its been 4 months and I am still really really shutdown.

4 months doesn't sound good.

Anyone with some real info wanna fill in?

What did you run for PCT, do you mean four months since youve been "off"? some rigorous PCT could be in order

I've been off everything. Still no sex drive.. i can get it up but have no interest to, and my intensity in the gym is shit nothing. I did a typical clomid pct... 3 weeks long, 50 mg a day.

I think i screwed myself with the massive deca dose and then adding some fucking nolvadex to make TONS of prolactin. im lucky i didnt get gyno!

I think Altered or someone with a great knowledge of this situation can probably help you out, but the first thought that comes to my mind is a HCG+Clomid post cycle therapy cycle, run as soon as possible.

i can get it up... i just dont want to... i mean i dont find any girls attractive.. i do, but i dont. i see a beautiful girl and im like eh. i read something kinda similar happening to some fellow over at bb.com...
forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6600921

Take some Viagra.

You will feel like if you DON'T have sex, you're going to DIE.

Just make sure you'll be around some hot females that put out, within an hour, or have some lotion and a water bottle and a towel ready to go.

And the towel is for your profuse sweating from overexertion.

So nobody has a proper "rehab" PCT protocol for this guy? I wouldn't know what to do at this point, as I don't have any experience with 19-nor shutdown (did mine right, thank God). And book knowledge tends to leave out these kinds of situations. I'm really curious as to what some of the more knowledgeable members of this forum would recommend in this case.

In other words: BUMP!

Maybe you need to just do a test enanthate stasis/taper now.

Run 100mg a week of test for six or so weeks, then taper off like the prescribed test taper protocol, incorporating nolvadex during the last four weeks. If anything, it could temporarily bring up your sex drive.

Alternatively, you could run the taper longer, allowing your body longer to recover from the shut down.

I'm curious - have your testes plumped back up yet?

And how long was your cycle?

The severe shutdown from 19-nor's are from the elevated prolactin. Controling estradiol will only partially fix the problem.

I'd recommend Cabergoline(tabs not liquid) at 0.5mg twice per week, while keeping estradiol levels in check. That should get things back to normal after a month or so.

Ideally you should be starting this prior to PCT.

You may want to taper from 100mg test per week to make the transition easier, or add some proviron to the mix.

The guy has been off test for 4 months.

Read that again.

Off test for 4 months.

And you guys are telling him to do a fucking taper? Taper from what? He's already shut down with very little, if any, exogenous test left in his system. You can't fucking taper down from what you don't have to begin with.


Get back on the test - and stay on it until you feel normal again - THEN start the taper, or at least do a decent PCT.

As much as I hate doctors and their advice/rants about AAS it may be time to visit one. At least to get the hormone levels checked.

Getting on the test again like RJ suggested would help you for now and perhaps after a solid PCT you can get back on track. At least it makes the most sense to me at this point.

No matter what advice you take please update this thread as you are probably not the only one who has faced this problem.

The doctors in Hawaii are useless. One of them was telling me body builders are stupid for taking hgh and test to get bigger and if they just took tribulus and dhea they would be twice the size. I have a hard time believing this as the guy is like 130 lbs and was bragging about his strength.

On a side note... yeah, balls are still shrunken. sperm count is shit.

I third that.. run 100mg of cyp/enan for a period.. 6-8 weeks, then taper off that dropping 10mg per week right down to 10mg/wk.

During the stasis run a small amount of HCG, and knock it off by the taper. Maybe 50iu a day, or 100-150iu 3x/wk. This should get the testes working.. when you start the taper, begin nolvadex immediately, with the last hcg shot the last day of stasis.. this SHOULD help the testes to be active with minimal suppression to the HP(TA) at the same time.. we hope.

Use 20mg of nolvadex throughout the taper and continue it for a couple weeks after the taper finishes.

Look into using a little caber, as i have suspected that the people who get severely shutdown by deca are sensitive to the prolactin. this would totally explain the un-interest in sex and women.

Use cialis during the stasis and taper if necessary, but just viagra or cialis alone wont do shit.. that is bad advice.

If you have to, use a little proviron after the taper if you have no sex drive (still likely, but there is more hope it will return quicker than if left alone with no PCT), but i wouldnt recommend it - there is no evidence to suggest it isnt inhibitory when one is already shutdown..

I have the same issues from deca - thus i dont use it any more.

Remember, if you really sensitive to deca then this could last a long time, at it is re-esterified often over the following months of discontinuation.

After the taper, keep on with the cialis, use a little proviron if necessary, nolvadex for a couple weeks and maybe some horny goat weed and tribulus too.

This is similar to something i have done, and is what i am going to use in the future too.