I'm 26, 5'11,205 10% bodyfat i have been cycling AAS for a few years now but i'm ready to take it to the next level with HGH.I have done research on-line but have heard different things and i'm wanting a baseline for a begginer cycle of HGH.

My question is the sorce says its 10 vials for a kit does that sound right to you guys? if so how many iu's do i take and how often?
Thanks in advance for the help.

yes 10 vials per kit is correct...10iu's per vial..as for amount...depends on what you want from it...a close friend of mine ran around 2-3 iu's a day (a small amount) for a few months...and really liked it...got leaner, and had alot more energy...he said it made him feel like he was 18 again...

Not to be a prick, but that sounds like placebo to me. I say that because of the short time used. The mind is a powerful beast. If we expect dramatic results they sometimes materialize.

2-3iu for a few months should be enough to elicit those results (well, I don't know about "feel 18," but I also don't have any personal experience with GH).

The rest of the thread, however, is pretty dumb. There are different sized kits and different amounts that come in the vials. 8X8 4X8, 8X10, 10X10. Knowing how many vials come in a kit sure as hell is not going to tell you if your GH is legitimate or not.

Also, the OP's question is worded in a way that makes it sound as if he is contemplating using only one kit. If this is the case, this thread is even dumber.

OP: Thanks for at least providing your stats. That's more than most first posters do here. If you want help with this, however, you're going to have to do a little more homework. There is a TON of GH information on the net.

Come up with what you think will be a good "beginner" (not my words) cycle for yourself, including dosages, dosage schedule and cycle length, throw it up here, and I'm certain the good members of this board will be happy to critique it.

thanks for the help i'll look into it more.

if your 5'11 206 and 10% bodyfat Im not sure HGH is the answer.

Your basically at your natural limit, with steroids you should be able to take it to 240 or so.

Im not sure HGH is whats needed here, Id say test and food are the key.

In my opinion and experience, you can use GH for two different ends primarily (well, injury repair as well, but this thread is about physique enhancement).

Either a low dose (2-4iu) ED, mostly in the mornings or pre-training, to mobilise fatty acids and to offset catabolism. You will see and feel some sattelite benefits such as improved skin tone, libido and mood, possibly. There should be few if any side effects. You can run this for a month or forever or a period in between; this doesn't require a minimum duration, like the next protocol does IMO.

So, the main alternative use for GH, is the 'permanent physique change', altering the look of your body, towards a more mesomorphic shape, with alterations (for the better) in resting muscle shape, particilarly at the origin and insertions of visible muscle groups. This requires that you inject a ralistic minimum of 5iu ED, or 5-10 iu EOD. Or you can mimic the adolescent GH release from the pituitary by injecting I think a total of about 70iu spread over 7 days out of every 21, on non-consecutive days, injecting i.v. but I don't expect that will appeal to most.

This must be done for a realistic minimum of 5 months or there abouts. Why? Because you are effecting permanent changes and these things do not happen in a short space of time. You are almost trying to 'restart' the anabolic effects of puberty and I'm sure you remeber that puberty wasn't an overnight affair.

OK so the high dose protocol may have some side effects, such as water bloat, gyno (probably due to IGF1 levels), carpal tunnel (mild to severe) reduced insulin sensitivity and possibly a fatty liver as a result. You can also expect to see your internal organs (especially the GIT) hypertrophy, though this is usually temporary.

BBB

Cool. This thread suddenly went from dumb to extremely intellectual and enlightening in one post. Thanks, BBB.

So, for the "permanent physique change" protocol that you recommend, how important would you consider the actual training that goes into the proposed cycle? For example, would intense training be much more likely to induce larger amounts of muscular hyperplasia (if this is the correct term)? If so, is it the microtrauma and the resultant rebuilding which cause this, or is there some other mechanism?

I also wonder about what the proper introduction of AAS into a "cycle" of GH would be. For example, using a 6 month run of GH, would the AAS be best run in the first three months, or the last three months?

I honestly know close to nothing about GH itself, and I feel this could actually end up becoming a very interesting thread. I certainly hope that it does!

I'm not sure about the training TBH because obviously I couldn't run multiple high dose cycles with different training. However I did get the permanent changes na dmy training was fairly standard stuff with a mix of hypertrophy and strength.

IMO you can stress the muscle in a predominanty mechanical way (strength training), a predominantly metabolic way (hi rep sets) or a combo of the two. Most of us here will be using techniques that mix the two, by creatinf mechanical stress with enough duration/repetition to induce plenty of metabolic demang (strip sets, super sets, etc). So really, I don't think it matters, as long as you don't rely on mostly metabolic-only try training. But who is going to fanny about with circuits, etc only, when blasting the growth hormone?

Also, don't forget that some of those permanent changes will relate to bone structure (a thickening of the wrists for example) and so won't be that dependant on exercise. Having said that, I do like to think that MY heavy lifting on GH will have increased the density of my bones.

Maybe that's why I'm such a terrible swimmer, lol!

BBB

Oh and in answer to your question about AAS use; it needs to be run for the duration, IMO. Most people who are into spending large amounts of cash on large amounts of GH, probably won't shy away from a 6 month cycle.

You need the AAS in the presence of the GH to augment the results.

This of course does not apply to the low dose GH, 'fatloss' protocol.

BBB

Good stuff, as always, BBB. Thanks a million.

Anyone wanna lone me 5k so I can get huuuuggeee from GH??


Don't worry dont worry I'm good for it; I just took the LSAT I'll be making millions, defending criminals, in no timee..... hahahah yea right fuck I hope I didn't bomb it...

Law School. Impressive. There are certainly some interesting folks on this forum. Best of luck...

how about injection sites?

The way questions such as the above should be worded is thus:

Hey, I've been researching GH and am reading that it is best injected subcutaneously, into the belly fat. I would like to know if some of the members here could corroborate this.

By the way, just for kicks, I typed in the words "injecting HGH" into google, and this is quite literally the very first site on the search page:

http://www.drcranton.com/hghar...

C'mon, man, you said you were going to research more. Help us help you.

If you want a prolonged release, totally unlike the bodies' own secretion, then inject subQ.

If you want to mimic the style of release of the body/pituitary, then you need direct, immediate access to the circulation, i.e. intravenous.

For a compromise between the two, intramuscular is the chosen method.

So for 'fatloss' then SubQ. For Meso changes, well technically, it should be i.v. but since there are many foolish people who apparently cannot follow simple instructions, I won't be recommending i.v. injections any time soon.

BBB

LOL, so I take it you didn't actually read my first post in this thread...?

BBB

FYI: According to a friend of mine who is a bright boy and has spent considerable effort and time researching GH (by which I mean proper research, not just reading old BBing Vs GH info), when you inject subQ, 50% goes into the blood, and 50% goes into the lymphatic system. Of the 50% in the lymph, 95% eventually makes it into the blood.

So subQ release is increadibly prolonged release, akin to a continuous i.v. infusion, which is essentially pointless for anything other than low dose 'fatloss' GH cycles.

In other words, dear reader, if you seek any sort of muscular/'mesomorphic'/hyperplasic/permanent effects from your GH, then you are FAR better off injecting it intramuscularly.

BBB