A friend of a friend has access to drugs straight from a vet, mostly US and European from what I hear.

This guy said that all injectable Deca is sold out for the summer, and that he can get oral Deca, which he says is just as good. I have never heard of this, and can't find mention of it on any foreign site that sells roids.

Anyways, this will be my first cycle, with 600mg per week Deca, 350mg of injectable Winstrol, and Clomid.

Any input or suggestions? I am scared to death of losing hair. Would a little T added to this be a risk? I like my dick, and want it to keep working during the cycle, but not at the expense of hair.

I've never heard of any oral deca. However (assuming such a thing does exist and i'm not aware of it) using deca without any test is going to leave you feeling like crap. It does for me anyway. Also, the test will keep the deca-dick away.

Basically, if going bald is in the cards for you and you're really concerned, you should stay away from steroids. While some are harder than others on the hairline any use can be a risk. Conservatism should always guide what you do with steroids, so if you're scared to death about going bald then you should seriously consider your decision to use.

justinp--thanks for the info!

My source now has access to injectable deca.

Can anyone tell me their opinion on the minimum amount of T that would keep my package working while minimizing side effects? This will be in conjunction with 500-600mg/week of deca, and 350mg of inj Winstrol (100mg every other day, or should it be 50mg every day? I've never seen the half-life of inj W).

Also, does it matter which ester of T I use? I know that they have different half-lives.

taxmanchris wrote:
A friend of a friend has access to drugs straight from a vet, mostly US and European from what I hear.

This guy said that all injectable Deca is sold out for the summer, and that he can get oral Deca, which he says is just as good. I have never heard of this, and can't find mention of it on any foreign site that sells roids.

Anyways, this will be my first cycle, with 600mg per week Deca, 350mg of injectable Winstrol, and Clomid.





Any input or suggestions? I am scared to death of losing hair. Would a little T added to this be a risk? I like my dick, and want it to keep working during the cycle, but not at the expense of hair.


Let me get this straight your going to buy gear from a source that sells ORAL DECA ( a steroid that dose'nt exist ). I got a great deal on ORAL GH for you . Well I doubt you'll have much fear of poking yourself in the arse with a 22g pin as you don't seem to mind much larger obects entering thAT GENERAL AREA of your anatomy .

BAD BREATH-POLOKO wrote:
Let me get this straight your going to buy gear from a source that sells ORAL DECA ( a steroid that dose'nt exist ). I got a great deal on ORAL GH for you . Well I doubt you'll have much fear of poking yourself in the arse with a 22g pin as you don't seem to mind much larger obects entering thAT GENERAL AREA of your anatomy .



The only thing I would buy from you is ORAL PLEASURE, which is supposed to be pretty good, from what I hear.

Anyway, it turns out that my buddy who was communicating between me and the seller was mistaken. The guy was talking about oral Winstrol. My buddy knows the dealer, but doesn't know shit about steroids.

By the way, that GENERAL AREA of my anatomy is EXIT ONLY, unless we're talking about your tongue, which always has the right-of-way in my ass.

TaxmanChris

Just ignore BAD-BRAD-WHATEVER. He is a troll and has NOTHING going on upstairs that we need to hear.

Oral winny is a completely different kettle of fish... If you have any questions post and us real peeps will do our best to help you out. Even though I hate tax men - just kidding.

bushboy

taxmanchris wrote:
justinp--thanks for the info!

My source now has access to injectable deca.

Can anyone tell me their opinion on the minimum amount of T that would keep my package working while minimizing side effects? This will be in conjunction with 500-600mg/week of deca, and 350mg of inj Winstrol (100mg every other day, or should it be 50mg every day? I've never seen the half-life of inj W).

Also, does it matter which ester of T I use? I know that they have different half-lives.

I'd to 500mg to keep everything going. Do 50mg of winstrol every day, and taking it orally is just as effective and more convenient, not to mention less painful.

You don't need very much test at all if all you are looking to do is keep yourself running up to spec. As low as 150mg/week will do the trick. However... it has been my experience that unless you use at least as much test as deca, you are going to feel like you have a permanent hangover - sleepy and overwhelmingly like crap (at least i do.) I definetly do not feel very good unless the test is there in significant ammount. Now, this is just my reaction, but other people do report it so its something to consider.

Test also has the advantage of being one of the cheapest and most effective steroids going. It can really kick your cycle up a notch as long as you are prepared for possible water retention and have an anti-e available.

JP

taxmanchris wrote:
BAD BREATH-POLOKO wrote:
Let me get this straight your going to buy gear from a source that sells ORAL DECA ( a steroid that dose'nt exist ). I got a great deal on ORAL GH for you . Well I doubt you'll have much fear of poking yourself in the arse with a 22g pin as you don't seem to mind much larger obects entering thAT GENERAL AREA of your anatomy .



The only thing I would buy from you is ORAL PLEASURE, which is supposed to be pretty good, from what I hear.




Anyway, it turns out that my buddy who was communicating between me and the seller was mistaken. The guy was talking about oral Winstrol. My buddy knows the dealer, but doesn't know shit about steroids.

By the way, that GENERAL AREA of my anatomy is EXIT ONLY, unless we're talking about your tongue, which always has the right-of-way in my ass.




Well what terrific news you came out of the closet And at the same time found out what you were really being sold .And it's always great to know guys that DON'T know SHIT about steroids are buying them .

BAD BREATH-POLOKO wrote:
Well what terrific news you came out of the closet And at the same time found out what you were really being sold .And it's always great to know guys that DON'T know SHIT about steroids are buying them .



What can I say? You bring out the queer in me. It must be your bitch hips and sweet lips.

About guys that don't know shit buying steroids--I've been researching this for about the last 7-8 years. Not that I need to prove anything to you. I followed Dan Duchaine's work for years until he died. Alot of my research has been done on this site, and on the T-Nation forum.

Sadly, it's getting more and more difficult to get quality info on the forum because there is so much shit to sift through from people like you that don't know shit about anything except how to stick their foot in their ass. Maybe you're only trying to be helpful. Please write back...

Thanks to bushboy, lmjudek, and justinp. Do you guys know the half-life of inj Winstrol? And how should the dose compare to the oral version? Is an injection every other day sufficient? I have read from a few sources that for some unknown reason, the inj version is more effective. Plus, it's also supposed to be less liver toxic.

Also, would you recommend one ester of T over another? This will be in combination with Deca and Winstrol with Clomid as the anti-e.

I am planning on coming off with max doses of Alpha Male and Clomid, along with quality nutrition. Is there a better way?

Thanks again!

The half life of oral winstrol is somewhere about 9 hours (people will quote slightly different numbers but this is what i recall is right). As for the injectible version, i believe to talk in terms of halflife is somewhat inaccurate. Because winstrol is not esterfied, upon injection there is a sustained release of drug until it is mostly used up and then levels drop off very quickly. Off the top of my head i'm not sure how long this takes because i've never even tried winny depot, only ever oral. The oral version is usually cheaper and can be just as effective. Generally, you would want 50% more winstrol by oral than you would by injection. If you planned on injecting 50mg ed, 75mg ed in tabs would be the equivalent ammount. The one time i used winny i think i opted for an even 100mg ed.

The other consideration is that unless your depot is a reputable brand, it might not work too well for you. UG winny depot is notorious for not being suspended properly and having the crystals clog up your syringes. It is a difficult preparation to make and for that reason the people i know don't bother making it, opting for the tabs instead. Your call though, but be forewarned. You might end up having to stick yourself with a 23g or larger pin every day which is highly unpleasant.

Hey bro

I second justinP's take on oral Vs injectable. I have tried 'pukka' injectable winstrol made by Zambon. I have also made my own 60mg caps. I can say unequivocally, that I prefer the caps. Much less hassle with more results (as you would expect from more than double the dose).

On the test ester front, I always reccomend prop as it is my favorite for a couple of reasons, namely quick results, less sides, easier planning of PCT. I would however get me some NPP to replace the deca - for the same reasons as the prop.

bushboy

Dear God help us, oral deca, injectable Winny is less liver toxic? Please learn more before you continue.

I believe the depot version actually is somewhat less liver toxic. Because you're not eating it, it takes one less trip through the liver on the way to the bloodstream than the oral version.

Definetly both are liver toxic, but i'm fairly sure the science is sound here. Both are apparently less liver toxic than a good old tylenol. Theres food for thought.

taxmanchris wrote:
Thanks to bushboy, lmjudek, and justinp. Do you guys know the half-life of inj Winstrol? And how should the dose compare to the oral version? Is an injection every other day sufficient? I have read from a few sources that for some unknown reason, the inj version is more effective. Plus, it's also supposed to be less liver toxic.

Also, would you recommend one ester of T over another? This will be in combination with Deca and Winstrol with Clomid as the anti-e.

I am planning on coming off with max doses of Alpha Male and Clomid, along with quality nutrition. Is there a better way?



Thanks again!




What's the clomid going to do for if you have progestin related sides from the DECA ?

BAD BRAD-POLOKO wrote:
What's the clomid going to do for if you have progestin related sides from the DECA ?




Hey! You're pretty sharp! First, Winstrol may have anti-progestenic effects.

Second, Clomid will help to guard against testicular atrophy. That way you will still have something to eat.

Third, post-cycle, Clomid will help to jumpstart endogenous T production.

You are truly a dumb bastard.

The winstrol may help combat the progesterone. However, a lot of the vets have said that the key to keeping progesterone at bay is to try to keep estrogen levels extremely low - for me this means letrozole. I have experienced some problems with deca at around the 600mg/week area, but with a moderated dose (600mg makes me feel like ass) and a solid letrozole regimen there have been no troubles.

You can also get yourself some B6 or the morning after pill (which i think is available OTC in canada now). I am not sure how you would use either of these as it has never come up for me. Stick with the clomid and i dont think you'll have any trouble unless you are particularly sensitive.

Holy shit, Deca, Winstrol and Letro, good-bye erections.

50mgs of Winny in your body gets broken down by the liver, whether its injected or swallowed, its still going through the liver eventually.

Why letro? Its ability to break your dick is more substantiated than Winny protecting from progesterone sides. Also, extra-low estrogen will make you feel like shit and most likely kill your libido. If your only doing a low-dose of test (150mgs was mentioned) how much estrogen could possibly be circulating when you have no endogonous (sp?) test?

Many vets also say being on Clomid through the entire cycle is counterproductive as it leaves you desensitized to its affects by the time you need it at the end of the cycle. That, of course is debatable.

taxmanchris wrote:
BAD BRAD-POLOKO wrote:
What's the clomid going to do for if you have progestin related sides from the DECA ?




Hey! You're pretty sharp! First, Winstrol may have anti-progestenic effects.

Second, Clomid will help to guard against testicular atrophy. That way you will still have something to eat.

Third, post-cycle, Clomid will help to jumpstart endogenous T production.

You are truly a dumb bastard.



Your going on Deca and winstrol with not enough test to balance the cycle off and your talking about keeping your balls and sex drive up with CLOMID NO SIR YOU ARE TRULY A DUMB NEWBIE !

BAD BRAD-POLOKO wrote:
Your going on Deca and winstrol with not enough test to balance the cycle off and your talking about keeping your balls and sex drive up with CLOMID NO SIR YOU ARE TRULY A DUMB NEWBIE !



Hey, my good buddy Brad! I'll be starting my cycle in the middle of July and finishing near the end of September. I'll let you know how everything went.

Of course, if my balls don't shrink and my sex drive stays up, I'll get back to you sooner. I'm interested in that ORAL PLEASURE you offered a few days ago.

Sincerely,
Dumb Newbie

Chris

I really think that you should increase the weekly amount of test... really.

150mg is a tiny dose by itself. I know you've got the SHBG effects of the winny to increase free to bound test ratio, but you've also got a fair amount of deca shutting you down.

400 mg / week would be a better ball-park figure.

Also, there has been research to suggest that the longer you take clomid, the less sensitive to it you become. This might make your PCT pretty tricky. Also don't forget that clomid can make you feel very 'weird' in an emotional, girly way. It does to me and I absolutely HATE the feeling...something to consider.

Good luck
bushboy

taxmanchris wrote:
BAD BRAD-POLOKO wrote:
Your going on Deca and winstrol with not enough test to balance the cycle off and your talking about keeping your balls and sex drive up with CLOMID NO SIR YOU ARE TRULY A DUMB NEWBIE !



Hey, my good buddy Brad! I'll be starting my cycle in the middle of July and finishing near the end of September. I'll let you know how everything went.

Of course, if my balls don't shrink and my sex drive stays up, I'll get back to you sooner. I'm interested in that ORAL PLEASURE you offered a few days ago.

Sincerely,
Dumb Newbie

Take the advice And add in the extra test also And maybe look into some ritalin for that ADD as it's getting real bad as it seems you are starting to confuse T-Nation with your gay an lesbian chat line .

BAD BRAD-POLOKO wrote:
Take the advice And add in the extra test also And maybe look into some ritalin for that ADD as it's getting real bad as it seems you are starting to confuse T-Nation with your gay an lesbian chat line .



Brad--I don't particularly care for you, but for once, you've made me laugh. That's the first good comeback you've had.