I've read a few accounts of people stacking anadrol and dianabol and loving he results.

Some said they used relatively low doses of both (like 50/25) and yet it produced better results than either one by itself at higher doses.

Other went gung ho and used "normal" doses of each simultaneously.

I guess if one were to try this one should limit the use of these orals to very brief cycles, and of course have nolva (and adex?) on hand. Maybe even run adex from the start with the dbol and drol?

Anyone here having tried the dbol+drol stack? Either with injectables or with a third oral like winny or anavar?

IMO it would be a bad idea. The two have a very similar function and if ran together as the only AAS in a cycle I could see the gains (although possibly great) very hard to maintain. Instead I would drop the dbol and just use moderate doses of both anadrol and winstrol along with test. But thats just me.

IMO you would get the gains of one and sides of both not worth it

I've seen a lot of people do it with test. I'm considering it.

Game_over wrote:
IMO you would get the gains of one and sides of both not worth it

Well actually, from what I've read those who tried it got the gains of both and the sides of neither, since they ran both at lower doses than they would've otherwise.

However I would think that the drol could make the estrogenic sides from the dbol worse, so adex and nolva would be a must.

Of course if one were to run 150mg drol and 50 mg dbol at the same time... that migth not be the healthiest combo in the long run. :)

AFAIK, Drol is quite a nice drug with winstorl, but with Test it is really harsh - much more uncomfortable and laden with sides..

I can only imagine what Drol and Dbol are like.. both quite uncomfortable drugs - and crap without a good base..

I bet a stack of Eq and drol could be good actually. Proviron Obv. for libido.. little winny for sides..

JJ

JJ wrote:
AFAIK, Drol is quite a nice drug with winstorl, but with Test it is really harsh - much more uncomfortable and laden with sides..

I can only imagine what Drol and Dbol are like.. both quite uncomfortable drugs - and crap without a good base..

I bet a stack of Eq and drol could be good actually. Proviron Obv. for libido.. little winny for sides..

JJ

Winstrol and anadrol are both toxic to your system, you don't want to do these together. Drol and test are great bulking drugs, do nor run anadrol more than 50-100mg for more than 6 weeks, you can run test for 12 weeks. dbol and anadrol are basically the same. You should always run a test base for best results. Make sure you take in milk thistle for your liver.

Well yeah anadrol is toxic. However, people have been chewing anadrol for up to 12 weeks (and some even longer) and liver values were back within normal range a few weeks after they stopped.

I do believe the dangers of oral steroids is a bit exaggerated.

Still: Say I was to run drol, dbol and winny for short two-three week blasts, then take two-three weeks off before hitting them again. Would this work? I read somewhere that dbol and anadrol work through different pathways and that you could get great effect with relatively low doses of each if run simultaneously.

I had rather good results with two-weekers on drol and winny. Busted through some strength plateus.

Drol and Winstrol is a common coupling - different classes and winstrol is anti-prog.

Dbol and Drol are both the same class, plus it isnt very smart to run 3 TOXIC drugs.. over exaggerated or not.

JMO... seems like you gonna go for it anyways!

Why dont you do a real cycle?

JJ

Hehe, no I am not going for it really, I just read that some HAD tried it and they didn't die and actually recommended it. So I just wanted to know if anyone here had tried it.

:)

lol! i see! :)

run them together by all means....but your results would be better with a test base. i've heard positive things about the combo. they are different in how they exert their effects...and anyone with experience running both will tell you they are nowhere near the same, regardless of classes. i remember Morepain saying running them together is a good option. go for it.

don't worry about the bloating. bloat promotes hypertrophy....added water weight and gained strength and recovery promotes muscle growth in people who train their ass off. most guys (not all, but most) who say you lose all your gains off of drol or d-bol just simply don't train hard enough, or eat enough. your gains will be solid and maintainable if you train with effort and intensity and eat. you'll lose water weight after, but you should have some gains that stick.

Interesting. Do you have a link to morepains post about running them together?

dbol-25mg
drol-50 mg

4-6weeks tops

results...yeah u'll like

Supposably you get some crazy gains. Not sure I'd do that myself. Doesn't seem to healthy.

Just read about a study where 31 old men (65-80 years old) were using 100mg drol for 12 weeks. Gained 12lbs. Only slightly elevated liver enzymes, but all were healthy afterwards.

In another study people used drol at 100mg ED for 30 weeks! Gains stopped after 19-20 weeks. No one developed any serious liver problems.

Yet another study people used drol for 6 months. None died.

Drol is not the most evil and dangerous steroid ever. I read about the guys who got liver cancer too. Yeah, 400mg drol for a year or more! No wonder the liver took a hit.

Oh well. I am not saying anadrol is healthy. But using a combo of drol and dbol for 6 weeks will NOT kill your liver (if you're healthy). Would be more concerned with gyno actually.

OK ENOUGH!

If you like it so much.. just do it and post a log! Why do WE have to do it too.. it isnt like adding proviron to a cycle, it is STILL stacking 2 orals.

there, there... take it easy. Maybe I will try it after my vacation.

If I do I'll post a log. Maybe even with a before an after photo of my liver.

lol!

Really? Good lad. I personally WILL be interested in liver values and mainly in FUCKING SIZE! !

:)

Brook wrote:
OK ENOUGH!

If you like it so much.. just do it and post a log! Why do WE have to do it too.. it isnt like adding proviron to a cycle, it is STILL stacking 2 orals.

Enough said, fuck... If you like it so damn much, fucking run it! Start a log, and let us know happens. Who give a shit about all these "studies". We can go on, and on and clog up this forum- You will never know until you try.

Hehe, ok then. Sometime mid-August I will do the following:

week 1-8: 100mg ED anadrol
week 1-8: 25mg ED winstrol
week 1-6: 30mg ED dianabol
week 1-6: .25 EOD adex

Will definetely keep nolva handy, possibly run it at 10mg ED from the start.

Have had good experience with a few short two weekers of anadrol/winstrol previously, so will keep a bit of winny in there as it seems to counter some of the drol sides.

I know everybody thinks my liver will die about halfway through this, but I am actually much more concerned about gyno.

Anyone got any comments besides "you must always inject", "test must always be the base", "orals are evil"?

Is the adex dose sufficient to counter gyno?

balisong wrote:
Hehe, ok then. Sometime mid-August I will do the following:

week 1-8: 100mg ED anadrol
week 1-8: 25mg ED winstrol
week 1-6: 30mg ED dianabol
week 1-6: .25 EOD adex

Will definetely keep nolva handy, possibly run it at 10mg ED from the start.

Have had good experience with a few short two weekers of anadrol/winstrol previously, so will keep a bit of winny in there as it seems to counter some of the drol sides.

I know everybody thinks my liver will die about halfway through this, but I am actually much more concerned about gyno.

Anyone got any comments besides "you must always inject", "test must always be the base", "orals are evil"?

Is the adex dose sufficient to counter gyno?

If you tolerated the "Anastrol" well before, then put the other 25mg/day of winstrol back in. I would do that before adding the adex amount.

That winstrol was helping keep the drol from gynoizing your titties in the first place, and you seem worried about that, and not worried about your liver, so why the fuck would you drop sir Winston down to only 25, whilst adding another major aromatizer in, albeit at a modest 30mg/day?

Seems to be the smart thing to do if it were me. You didn't have any joint issues before correct? And you have more water as a result of the dbol now, so why drop it down? More quality gains would be the result as opposed to adex which won't add anything gainwise.

I would do the same, keep your winstrol at 50/day, and run the adex the way you have it. Increasing it if any signs pop up related to gyno. Should be a good run, and like juice said, somewhat keepable to a degree, dependent on your training first and foremost.

Good on you for steppin into the batters box after getting redundant about the whole thing already, lol.

ToneBone

Well, actually I DO get somewhat creaky joints from the winstrol, especially hips and shoulders so that's my reasoning for reducing the amount.

I got NO visible bloat whatsoever while running drol/winstrol at 100/50 before.

Did gain a few pounds of weight each time, but most noticeable (and important to me anyway) was the strength gains.

Still, since dbol should increase water somewhat, I may actually start out with winny at 50mg ED.

As for training I guess just about any hard training with mostly compound lifts would do the trick. I was contemplating trying doggcrapp training. Have read about it both here on T-Nation and over at intensemuscle.com for a while and it seems very appealing after having done the 10 sets of 3 for quite some time now.

Also, will be sure to eat a LOT for the 8 weeks on. Should be fun!

If you're going to go the DC training route.....find the REAL original version and follow it. that training method should not be bastardized. you'll think you are doing way too little at first in the way of volume and frequency....just stick with it as outlined.

lmao@gynoizing!