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heat49
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I'm posting this knowing that most of you will immediately disregard whatever I have to say but hear me out. I plan on starting a Winstrol only cycle in the beginning of May. I am 21 years old, 6'3", 192 lbs, 11% body fat. I have been lifting 5-6 times a week for almost 3 years.
My diet is almost as clean as you can get, eating 6-7 balanced meals a day, each with complex carbs and high in lean protein, always low in sat fat and sugar. No carbs after 8.
I will be taking 50mg Winstrol tabs every day for six weeks. I will start taking glucosomine 2 weeks before the cycle, as well as throughout the cycle. I will also be taking milk thistle throughout, and nolvadex for 4 weeks after the cycle is completed.
My goals for the cycle are simple. I am not looking to be a massive juicehead. I simply want to harden everything up and shed bodyfat, while putting on 5-8 lbs of LEAN muscle in the process. If all of this happens I will be extremely pleased. And yes, I know how important diet and exercise are in triggering these gains and that winstrol alone will not be a magic pill.
Keep in mind I have reasearched winstrol online the past few months religiously, and am not the typical winstrol only poster who doesnt know his ass from his elbow about anything.
I was just curious if anyone else is similar to me and has done a winstrol only cycle, and how their results were, as well as any possible problems they encountered.
I was also still unsure about how much cardio I should be doing on winstrol, right now I am shooting for 3 times a week.
Lastly, I was wondering if time of day matters in taking the milk thistle, and what the benefits are in breaking the winny tabs up and taking 25mg in the morning and 25mg in the evening.
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dirtbag
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I know people at my gym that did winnie only cycles and bragged on some crazy stats. Which made me not believe them. So I will be watching this thread with keen interest. |
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soontobeIFBB
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heat49 wrote:
My goals for the cycle are simple. I am not looking to be a massive juicehead.
Thanks for any feedback.
Dont worry, I promise you NEVER EVER will be.
Why did you choose winstrol over test?
over anavar?
over tbol?
They will just make you too massive without even trying? |
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djrobins
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I figured Bill Roberts would commentate.
My question was this. Supposedly there were some androgenic compounds which would provide minimal weight/water gain, increased muscular hardness and density, and improved power.
Good for atheletics or getting cut up.
Do those rules still not apply, I know test is king. But aren't some of the other compunds: ( winstrol, anavar, primo ) good for cutting, strength gain, athetics? |
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soontobeIFBB
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Also OP at 6'3 you have about 176 pounds of muscle on your frame, not ready for steroids IMO |
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ucallthatbass
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soontobeIFBB wrote:
Also OP at 6'3 you have about 176 pounds of muscle on your frame, not ready for steroids IMO
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bizkit497
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Guys, I understand that in your opinion he shouldn't be taking steroids, but he clearly did his research. I am also going to be getting on a winstrol only cycle because that is all I have access too and I also want that hard, defined look. My diet is similar to heat49's. Although I am only 5"11/188/10%bf, I think this cycle will give me the gains I am looking for. All we are asking for is a little help. |
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BONEZ217
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bizkit497 wrote:
Guys, I understand that in your opinion he shouldn't be taking steroids, but he clearly did his research. I am also going to be getting on a winstrol only cycle because that is all I have access too and I also want that hard, defined look. My diet is similar to heat49's. Although I am only 5"11/188/10%bf, I think this cycle will give me the gains I am looking for. All we are asking for is a little help.
And the problem is you think that people telling the OP that he isn't physically ready for AAS isn't helpful. |
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trmn8r99
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I just finished a winstrol only cycle and had great results. good luck and work hard. |
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BONEZ217
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trmn8r99 wrote:
I just finished a winstrol only cycle and had great results. good luck and work hard.
Is that you in your avatar? |
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heat49
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"Dont worry, I promise you NEVER EVER will be.
Why did you choose winstrol over test?
over anavar?
over tbol?
They will just make you too massive without even trying?
I never considered test because I am looking to mainly cut and get that hardened dry look, and only put on 5-8 lbs of lean muscle. I have no interest in injecting myself, and overall I don't feel test meets my goals.
I briefly considered Anavar, however, it is harder to obtain and more expenseive, and I was able to get 6 weeks worth of Winny tabs for only $100.
Overall, Winstrol offers what I am looking for. Its sides are relatively small, and I feel it will help me accomplish my goals. None of my planning was done on a whim. If you feel I am not ready for steroids, that is simply your opinion.
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whotookmyname
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I don't plan on ever doing a winny only cylce; that really sounds like major joint pain just waiting to happen. Glucosamine is no wonder drug imo / ime (I am starting to like cissus for the aches, though).
If you can get some primo that'd make for a more enjoyable cycle, without adding 20 lbs to your frame.
As for dosing, I think it make sense to split the tabs so that you keep blood levels somewhat balanced. Half-life of most orals is somewhere b/w 6-12 hrs... you can google winny's. |
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soontobeIFBB
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bizkit497 wrote:
Guys, I understand that in your opinion he shouldn't be taking steroids, but he clearly did his research. I am also going to be getting on a winstrol only cycle because that is all I have access too and I also want that hard, defined look. My diet is similar to heat49's. Although I am only 5"11/188/10%bf, I think this cycle will give me the gains I am looking for. All we are asking for is a little help.
Its funny how most guys who are far below impressive size have trouble finding steroids, yet those who have years of training under there belt, and good solid size to begin with do not. Funny.. You my friend also do not need steroids...
OP post before and after pics I guarantee this cycle will be a failure. |
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bizkit497
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soontobeIFBB wrote:
Its funny how most guys who are far below impressive size have trouble finding steroids, yet those who have years of training under there belt, and good solid size to begin with do not. Funny.. You my friend also do not need steroids...
OP post before and after pics I guarantee this cycle will be a failure.
You got it brah. Two quick questions, what is your definition of a "failure" and 2nd, since you seem to know a lot, who does need steroids in your honest opinion?
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Westclock
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bizkit497 wrote:
soontobeIFBB wrote:
Its funny how most guys who are far below impressive size have trouble finding steroids, yet those who have years of training under there belt, and good solid size to begin with do not. Funny.. You my friend also do not need steroids...
OP post before and after pics I guarantee this cycle will be a failure.
You got it brah. Two quick questions, what is your definition of a "failure" and 2nd, since you seem to know a lot, who does need steroids in your honest opinion?
The people that need them are the people that legally use them for the purpose they were designed for.
Patients with wasting diseases, cancer, aids, etc.
What you meant is who is ready to use them.
And that answer is lifters you can no longer make reasonable gains without them.
People that have a great deal of experience and have more or less topped out in terms of strength and development.
You are atleast 50 pounds from that point, your barely qualified as a lifter.
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heat49
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"Sorry, I won't respond to anyone who says "brah"
Good second post BTW."
In all honestly, I would like to hear why you think the cycle will be a failure. |
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bizkit497
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Westclock wrote:
You are atleast 50 pounds from that point, your barely qualified as a lifter.
50 pounds? Sorry but there is no way I would ever want to put on 50 more pounds, even if it was all lean muscle.
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JN7844
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bizkit497 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
You are atleast 50 pounds from that point, your barely qualified as a lifter.
50 pounds? Sorry but there is no way I would ever want to put on 50 more pounds, even if it was all lean muscle.
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Addiction
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Why would you risk liver damage and elevate cholesterol for the sake of such a small gain which with a year or less worth of hard work and proper nutrition you could have without the side effects? |
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Westclock
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bizkit497 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
You are atleast 50 pounds from that point, your barely qualified as a lifter.
50 pounds? Sorry but there is no way I would ever want to put on 50 more pounds, even if it was all lean muscle.
I misread your stats.
I should have written 40 pounds. But thats not the issue.
I weighed more than you before I started juicing, and Im three inches shorter.
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prospa7
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all of this arguing would not have existed and the OP gets the advice he's looking for if he only lied about his weight in his stats *sigh* |
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Brook
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bizkit497 wrote:
Guys, I understand that in your opinion he shouldn't be taking steroids, but he clearly did his research. I am also going to be getting on a winstrol only cycle because that is all I have access too and I also want that hard, defined look. My diet is similar to heat49's. Although I am only 5"11/188/10%bf, I think this cycle will give me the gains I am looking for. All we are asking for is a little help.
Fair point.. winstrol is likely to do very little.. it is often recommended at dosages of 50mg EOD or ED. I find no results from anything under 50mg ED and would actually choose to run it at 75-100mg/day for 6 weeks if ran alone. Liver function tests before and during.
Make sure your bodyfat IS 8% or 10% because if it is over 10% you are unlikely to see fuck all.
The issue the posters here - including myself - with people coming in saying "i dont wanna be some massive juicehead" is two-fold:
1) Most of us do want that and may find that comment offensive, but also;
2) Why use AAS (in one of the least productive ways - an oral non-aromatasing anabolic with weak to little noticeable results in all but track and 3-6%bf BB's) to achieve what could be achieved with 1 year of strict diet and dilligent natural training.
There is another point more to the OP than this reply - but that thinking because the final goal is not to be a massive "juicehead" that 1 cycle of a weak anabolic (in reality, not on paper) is needed, is incorrect by quite some distance.
To actually become a big meathead from a slim or skinny frame takes a long time for some, and many years and many cycles.
I myself am 5'8" but naturally was very skinny.. at 18 i was about 126lbs.. after 4 years of training naturally but at home i gained 14lbs lean making me 140lbs.
At 29 i am 205 and 15%, still not massive but big enough so that if i cut now, i would look like a lean fitness model i'd expect or at approx 5% be around 180lbs... Not a juice head by any means - except i certainly am.
Good luck with the cycle but your goals would be better realised with a 8 week cycle of masteron or test prop and mast for 6-8 weeks.
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heat49 wrote:
"..while putting on 5-8 lbs of LEAN muscle in the process..."
Unlikely with this cycle IME of the drug.
Keep in mind I have reasearched winstrol online the past few months religiously, and am not the typical winstrol only poster who doesnt know his ass from his elbow about anything. So after a few months of religious research on the drug, its half life, effects and sides and also and know if cardio needs to be manipulated for your own goals with or without the drug..? Good! Great.. what about the quotes below?
"..and what the benefits are in breaking the winny tabs up and taking 25mg in the morning and 25mg in the evening..."
"..I was just curious if anyone else is similar to me and has done a winstrol only cycle, and how their results were, as well as any possible problems they encountered.."
"..I was also still unsure about how much cardio I should be doing on winstrol, right now I am shooting for 3 times a week..."
/Flame
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