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Daphilia
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I just competed in my first figure competiton in November. It was one of the most rewarding and challenging experiences of my life. I am going to be in another one come June 2008 L2 this time.

What I am finding right now is a constant struggle to get back on some sort of routine. I have gained weight which I know is normal - in my head I do really know this but it is so hard to look at yourself in the mirror everyday and feel embarrassed or feel as if you have failed. Before I started training for the show I was a very healthy eater but now Post competition I cannot seem to eat anything but sugary, junky, high carb, high fat foods eg. Peanut butter, fruits, chocolate, cookies etc.

I am feeling discouraged and fat, scared that I will not be able to gain control over this and end up weighing more than I want to . I am already at that point...Does anyone have any suggestions? I feel as though I am constantly fighting myself to make good choices but in the end it doesn't seem to work. I try to prepare my meals the night before as I had while trainign for the show but it is as if I have no motivation - I want to go back to being normal. I feel lost - going from a strict routine of cardio, eating and training - to nothing has left me with no motivation and a sense of freedom that doesn't really feel very free.

Any suggestions are MORE than welcome to help me get back into the right frame of mind....Please help.

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amandagano
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Daphilia wrote:
I just competed in my first figure competiton in November. It was one of the most rewarding and challenging experiences of my life. I am going to be in another one come June 2008 L2 this time.

What I am finding right now is a constant struggle to get back on some sort of routine. I have gained weight which I know is normal - in my head I do really know this but it is so hard to look at yourself in the mirror everyday and feel embarrassed or feel as if you have failed. Before I started training for the show I was a very healthy eater but now Post competition I cannot seem to eat anything but sugary, junky, high carb, high fat foods eg. Peanut butter, fruits, chocolate, cookies etc.

I am feeling discouraged and fat, scared that I will not be able to gain control over this and end up weighing more than I want to . I am already at that point...Does anyone have any suggestions? I feel as though I am constantly fighting myself to make good choices but in the end it doesn't seem to work. I try to prepare my meals the night before as I had while trainign for the show but it is as if I have no motivation - I want to go back to being normal. I feel lost - going from a strict routine of cardio, eating and training - to nothing has left me with no motivation and a sense of freedom that doesn't really feel very free.

Any suggestions are MORE than welcome to help me get back into the right frame of mind....Please help.



D...first of all I wish that there was something that I could say to MAKE this all better...but I am honestly just letting you know that you aren't alone...what works for me might not work for you.

I have been fighting with this for some time. I HAVE read a lot into it though.

Eating more carbs or high carbs will make you CRAVE more. What has worked for me is going for LOW carbs or no CARBS until I feel like I am in control again. Carbs make me crave sugar and CRAP essentially...i hope that you get some good answers from some of the seasoned veterans that have been through this and made it.

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sic
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Re-examine your priorities. It sounds like you are unable to motivate yourself without a clear goal in mind. You probably enjoyed the break from strict training/dieting post competition... and then stretched it out so long that you lost your direction.

Why did/do you train? Health? Strength? Injury prevention? Sport? Appearance? Personal satisfaction?

Really think about what makes you tick. What makes you want to chose healthy foods over poor nutritional choices? What makes you prioritize the gym over sitting on the couch watching re-runs of your favorite show?

Decide why you want to train, and then set goals for yourself. It does not matter if your goal is to bench 50lbs more by the end of a year, or if it is to do a nude photo shoot... it is all about your own personal goal. Set some big goals and then plan the little steps that lead up to them. Give yourself a realistic time frame in which to achieve your milestones and make yourself accountable to... well, to yourself. True motivation needs to come from within, not from a circled date on the calendar.
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In regards to diet, you are having a difficult time because you don't have a reason to stick to a healthier lifestyle. Poor food choices surround us on a daily basis. It's much easier to give in and say "yes" then it is draw your hand back from the candy dish and say "no." "No" is a good word. "No" is not a negative thing. "No" shows restraint. "No" shows self control and an awareness of personal choice. Just because your friends are going out for drinks doesn't mean you can't order water. Just because the girl in the cubicle next to you made cookies doesn't mean that you have to eat them.

Once you decide on your training goals, you will have a much easier time deciding your nutritional goals. Allow yourself to enjoy calorie rich foods such as pizza or chocolate, but schedule them. Initially, plan your diet as follows:

1-2 strict low carb (meat and veggies) sort of days. 1-2 moderate carb (beans, sweet potatoes, wheat breads) days. 1-2 higher carb days (pasta, rice etc.).

Allow yourself a day of indulgence where you can go out to Burger King for lunch and have chocolate chip pancakes for dinner if that is what you really want. Then start the cycle over again.

Keep track of how you feel on the healthier days vs. the not so healthy days. Gradually increase the number of days that you eat cleaner and decrease the days that you indulge. Don't take an all or nothing approach or it won't work because you will feel denied and unsatisfied.

Stop being so hard on yourself and calling yourself a failure. You haven't failed because you aren't trying to do anything yet. :) Pick some goals and get started again. Baby steps and you'll get back on track before you realize it.

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Jillybop
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Post competition rebound is a very real phenomenon and I'm sorry you are suffering from it. I'm not sure what to offer for advice tbh. I know Oxygen wrote an article all about it a few months ago. I'd do some research on the net if I were you.

Your body is rebounding from reaching such an unmaintainable weight/leanness and/or overtraining and overdieting.

This is just another reason why I am starting to think that figure contests are simply not a healthy endeavor (mentally and physically).

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Daphilia,

There has already been some great advice posted above, but I just wanted to chime in with my thoughts. I have to agree with Jillybop about my personal feelings toward figure competitions, but that aside, I understand what it feels like to invest yourself wholly and fully toward an end and then feel total suspension of self when it's over. You current physiological and psychological state are completely understandable, considering what you have just been through. A contest-ready body is impressive to look at and takes tremendous effort, but the lack of balance and extreme behaviour required to achieve that body have consequences of their own.

It is unreasonable to ask your body to return to a disciplined state without giving it some time to heal from the shock of overtraining and food restriction. It is a micro stage of ED and you should allow yourself plenty of support and healing.

I understand how it feels to move from completely rigid structure to having no boundaries. I was playing sports full-time at the collegiate level and one blow to the face left me with a broken nose and a fractured skull. I went from 20+ hrs a week of activity to bedrest and it took me over a month to be able to go for walks, even. I felt unathletic, unimpressive and unvaluable for a time. I journalled hard and finally reached out to talk about how I felt and then things started to click back into place for me. My eating shifted back to normal, I started going for daily walks, I started writing letters and doing things that just felt good. I wore really soft sweaters and read in front of the fireplace. I had to learn to feel good again, to learn to feel good about myself again. I had a few false starts trying to get back into the gym, but I got there. As Sic suggested, baby steps are the way to go. I make small goals for the day now. I know I can't ask my body to work as hard as I want it to, but if I want to get back to sports, I have to respect the healing process and use it to learn some lessons about myself. There are BIG learning opportunities at a time like this.

I wish you the best. Be kind to yourself and be honest with yourself about what you really deserve. You deserve good health and a good life, so don't sell yourself short. My journal has saved my life at times, and I really recommend you take the time to explore the issues that your post-comp period has magnified. Many people compete because they think the goal of figure will "protect" them from ever being binge-eaters or being fat. In fact, the opposite is true: when you push your body to one extreme, nature will push it right back. You will get better and things will change, just have faith, patience and heart. I hope you continue to keep us posted. You are doing a great service to your fellow competitors by bringing light to this issue.

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dianab
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Excellent post Proxy.
I really think that this side of training, whether it be for figure, BB or whatever, should be further explored at T-Nation. I'm sure that there are many competitors out there who suffer from the same feelings.
This is the main reason I do not plan to ever compete in any contest that focuses on how a person looks. Strength competitions and athletics are different, if you lift more then the other competitors, you win, simple as that. If you score better in althletics, you or your team win. In figure and BB, it depends on the judges and what they think of how you look. I give props to those who can get thru that kind of competition and come out without some kind of issues about eating and self esteem.
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Quest
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D:

First off, congratulations to you. I do not necessarily value the extremity that is required to prepare for and compete in figure competitions but it takes discipline. Deep and profound discipline. And I respect and honour that.

I echo the comments above and, because they have hit the mark so well, can do little more than offer a slightly varied restatement.

There is, as you are aware, an inverse relationship between duration and intensity. The more physically, pyschologically and emotionally intense an activity becomes, the shorter its sustainable duration. Hard work is taxing. Extremely hard work, is taxing in the extreme.

I will not presume to know exactly how you are feeling, but I believe that I have a sense of it. I'm as "Type A" as a person can get and, for a long time, I saw working to anything less than my maximal physical or intellectual capacity to be a pathetic and unacceptable want of discipline. It scared me all the more because I felt like I was losing ground - slipping away from levels of achievement that I had struggled, fought so hard, to attain.

I was not. And you are not. It has taken me years and some injuries (permanent, I suspect) to learn. I hope that it takes you less time and does not wound you in the process.

Why do experienced individuals train in various rep ranges and generally "mix things up"? I posit 3 main reasons: (1) to do an end run around the body's tendency towards homeostatic balance and efficiency with respect to energy expenditure (the acquisition of lean muscle tissue, past a certain baseline, is metabolically expensive and a body that is geared towards survivial and the maintenance of essential function (e.g. brain, cardio-respiratory)in times of severe caloric deficit will not want to expend the extra calories to sustain lean muscle mass if it doesn't have to; (2)to alleviate boredom; and (3) most importantly, for the purposes of this discussion, to give one's body a break from heavier, harder training - in this sense, lighter, more relaxed workouts are useful precisely because they are "softer". They allow for physical, mental, spiritual and emotional restoration that enable one to "bust ass" again, as it were.

Instead of trying to tolerate this period of "laxity", try to enjoy it. You have worked. You have denied yourself. You have tested and exhausted yourself in mind, body and spirit. You not only need, but have earned your respite.

If you have drained yourself and are empty, it is natural to want to make yourself full again.

As I note earlier, look upon this period of "softness" as being vital, useful and necessary so that you can allow yourself to go hard again.

And, as noted by another poster, reflect upon why you train. I consider periodic re-grounding of one's pursuits in their fundamental purpose to be the mental part of getting "brilliant on the basics".

Ultimately, I train to give my mind better tools to work with. Take some time, to remind yourself why you do.

Peace and respect.
Quest

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jldavis1118
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I had a tough time getting back in to the swing of things but you will do it. I eventually got tired of the salt and sugar and missed how great my body and mind felt after eating that bland food. Just set your eye on the prize and start moving forward. The exercise and diet are so worth it when you stand up on that stage and think "Damn! I made it!" then you look at the pictures and can't believe it is really you.
You will get the drive back. Let me know how it goes and I will be around if you need advice or just to vent. There are a lot of people on this board who have been through &/ are going through the same thing.
Chin up!
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jsbrook
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This is actually something that many women suffer from after getting married too. They train so hard and diet so hard to look perfect on the special day and it's such monumental and stressful [in a good way] experience, that they mentally and physically crash afterwards. Happened to my sister. Trained like a madwoman, diet impeccable. She came in 10 lbs under her typical weight, looked amazing. Gained 20 after her wedding. Said she just KNEW she was going to crash and gain a bunch of weight. She could feel it. I've never competed but I have gotten super shredded. And after that kind of discipline with your diet, you do just want to go crazy.

What's worked for me is slowly adding back calories and carbs. I CANNOT just jump back into a normal, healthy maintenance diet or go back to adding mass right away. I do spiral out of control. I would try tightening it up considerably and being really strict again for a week or two. Pretend you are competing again. Have that laser focus. And then slowly back away from in. Your body will adjust and after a few weeks you'll be maintaining, getting adequate calories, and you won't feel so deprived, but you'll have reestablished good healthy habits.

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69challenger
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I got this from another board. It helped me get through a rough patch.

Sorry - its long, but very worth reading, esp if you are a newbie to competition, have heard about post-show depression & such, but maybe don't believe it. And those of you who have been there (ME INCLUDED!!!!!) will recognize a lot of this and maybe some of it will make more sense...You won't understand it until you are there, but be VERY aware of it...

Post-Competition Perils: Hyperphagia, Adipose Overshoot, & Dysphoria
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J.D. Haltigan


It is common for bodybuilders and physique competitors to engage in a period of dysregulated behavior characterized by repetitive, uncontrollable hyperphagia and bingeing in the days immediately subsequent to competition or to their lowest achieved adipostatic level. While the eating behavior is by and large the central component of this �??post-competition syndrome�??, it is part of a larger phenotype which includes both �??bodyfat overshoot�?? (Dulloo et al., 1997) and a general dysphoria characterized by a multiplex of feeling/behavioral states including emotional and/or mental discomfort, restlessness, malaise, depression, and sleep fractionation.

Extending my work on dynamical systems (and more generally adaptation at lowered adipostatic states), this article makes a specific contribution to discussing post-competition issues. It highlights a subtle paradox, in that the worst symptoms of severely reduced adipostatic states are not necessarily present during such a time, but rather on the slippery slope out of such a state.

It can be argued that most of the bodybuilding community, whilst aware of the symptoms noted above during repeated competition cycles, are unaware that they are in fact physiologically rooted adaptive processes (from a purely physiological standpoint). In addition, the claim is advanced here that training and supplementation post-competition may be even more important than training pre-competition, since it is during this post-competition period that significant declines in physique and mental resilience occur beyond levels established before pre-competition preparation was fully set in motion.

Originally noted by Keys et al. (1950) in the infamous Minnesota Starvation experiment and subsequently corroborated by the Dulloo lab in a number of papers that re-analyzed the original Minnesota data; there was a marked tendency for individuals who underwent the starvation period (or a protracted period of hypoenergetic caloric intake) to engage in voracious hyperphagia and demonstrate significant body fat gain following release from the starvation requirements. Indeed, because the body-fat gain following starvation exceeded the absolute adipostatic levels prior to the deficit (starvation) period, Key�??s et al. (1950) termed the phenomenon �??post-starvation obesity,�?? while the Dulloo group (Dulloo, et al., 1997) termed the phenomenon �??post-starvation hyperphagia and body-fat overshoot.�??

If we consider the bodybuilder or fitness enthusiast�??s �??pre-contest�?? dieting akin to that of the �??starvation period�?? of Key�??s et al. (albeit with some notable dissimilarities including resistance training and extensive supplementation use), we can begin to understand the �??post-contest�?? period, and the normative metabolic and behavioral-psychological reactions that often cause great distress for the passionate bodybuilder (natural or not) or fitness enthusiast.

An account retold from one of Keys�?? original participants in the Minnesota experiment reflect what has been related to me time and again in numerous private messages; and as I have also observed in various individuals who I have trained with (both male and female), and echo reports of �??post-competition binges�??:

Although they were warned to be careful not to overeat on d 1 [following the experiment], they were free to eat as they wished. H.S. remembered being taken to the hospital to have his stomach pumped because he,�??just simply overdid�?? (Kalm & Semba, 1997, p.1351).

As a group, the Minnesota subjects as well as others who have undergone significant body weight reductions during extended periods of energetic deficit (cf. St. Pierre et al., 1996), show persistence in both appetite and hyperphagia long after refeeding commences. This combination of both increased appetite and subsequent hyperphagia was termed �??integrated hyperphagia�?? by Dulloo et al. (1997). Once again, persistence in binge behavior and the associated mental dysphoria with losing the contest physique is a common phenotype of bodybuilders and fitness (figure) competitors. One such person indicated to me they put on substantial fat (past pre-competition prep) following competition but also suffered from notable socioemotional disturbances, including, but not limited to, depression and social anxiety; which ultimately lead to the inability to maintain a romantic relationship.

Taken together, the elegant work of Keys, Dulloo and colleagues, should serve the training community in the sense that following bouts of contest dieting, counterregulatory processes will soon ensue, leading to behavior which can seriously threaten maintenance of even pre-competition dieting conditioning levels. As such, the post-competition period becomes a very critical time when, as I argue, training and supplementation usage must be dialed in. Before I offer a few brief, flexible recommendations, there are a few extremely important details that must be noted with regard to the re-analysis of the Minnesota starvation data by the Dulloo group.

In re-analyzing the Minnesota starvation data, Dulloo�??s group found at least two important variables in the characterization of post-starvation integrated hyperphagia. The first being that even in spite of increased dietary induced thermogenesis (DIT) - due to the sympathomimetic actions of excessive carbohydrate loading (i.e., bingeing) - there remains a specific metabolic component favoring fat storage (1990). Thus, even in the presence of increased DIT (due to metabolic normalization as weight is gained), adipose tissue can be laid down simultaneously. Dulloo and Girardier (1990) noted that the metabolic component represented a net 15% reduction in energy expenditure during refeeding.

Dulloo (1997) further notes that the phenomenon of fat increase occurring more rapidly than that of active tissues has been noted since the �??turn of the century in adults recovering body weight after diseases or famines�?? (p. 30), and cites both Jamin & Muller (1931) and Kornfeld & Schuller (1931). While a more comprehensive overview of their models, including that of the P-ratio (Dulloo & Jacquet, 1999) are outside the scope of this article, the key point of the foregoing discussion is that fat overshooting is in large part determined by delayed protein repletion (loss of lean-tissue), which in turn results from a suppression of thermogenesis favoring the �??replenishment�?? of adipose reserves (Dulloo, 1997).

The second variable involves the predictive ability of both adipose and lean tissue loss to promote post-starvation integrated hyperphagia. In an elegant set of regressions, Dulloo et al., (1997) showed that while adipose loss was the strongest predictor of integrated hyperphagia, lean tissue loss also added unique variance (albeit of small magnitude). These correlations were still present even after controlling for degree of prior energy deficit.

Considering this, it is quite clear that the post-competition phenomenon of integrated hyperphagia is a relatively ubiquitous phenomenon among those who have lost substantial body mass. However, the component of mental dysphoria is an addition this author has contributed independently (as a result of both personal and vicarious experience), and we can conceptualize both integrated hyperphagia and mental dysphoria as the �??post-competition syndrome�??. I have written previously on psychoneuroendocrinological contributions to the post-competition phenotype (cf. Adipose Reduction and Bodyfat Setpoint: A Dev. Reg. Model) and will elaborate on this component of the post-competition syndrome in future work. Suffice it to say that included in the dysphoric component are depression, restlessness, fatigue, sleeplessness, and most importantly, social withdrawal. So, from a training standpoint, how can the trainee deal with the �??post-competition syndrome�???

It would seem that a simple understanding of the post-competition period, as presented here, will go a long way to treating this period of training more appropriately. More specifically there are at least four specific areas where trainees and competitors can directly address the �??post-competition syndrome�??:

1) Psychological: While acute bingeing post-competition is of the involuntary subtype, it is argued that subsequent bingeing (still part of the integrated hyperphagia matrix) is more voluntary in nature and psychologically triggered. Psychological triggers are more likely to become effective at triggering binge patterns in light of the underlying post-starvation vulnerability (cf. Adipose Reduction and Bodyfat Setpoint: A Dev. Reg. Model). In addition, individual differences in affect regulation (socioemotional adaptation, attachment) may also play a key role (for comparative evidence see Hancock, Menard, & Olmstead, 2005). Awareness of psychological cues that trigger bingeing and insuring that you take proactive steps to re-engage - in adaptive, positive social situations (e.g., going out, interacting with others) - may short-circuit the feed-forward loop of �??social isolation-bingeing�??.

2) Training: A least two prominent considerations come to mind. First, and of obvious import; the more lean mass retained during the dieting period, the more potential for reductions (albeit subtle) in the experience of integrated hyperphagia. It would seem that a strong focus on time under tension (TUT) should be a core component of both the pre and post competition periods. Second, cardio should be maintained or even increased during the post-competition period to both compensate for involuntary bingeing as well as to perhaps inhibit the metabolic component that appears designed to facilitate fat storage (a more detailed discussion will be presented in a separate paper). Finally, an immediate change in training protocol is advised, as this will �??freshen�?? up the routine and prevent needless iterations of mental fatigue of having to perform the same routine - which can lead to an avoidance of the gym (isolation) and subsequent bingeing as discussed above.

3) �??Binge�?? Nutrition: It may be profitable to create a �??fixed�?? binge pattern such that, even during times of involuntary binges, there are only certain foodstuffs that you are allowed (provided they enable the quiescence of the integrated hyperphagia and psychological craving). For example, during times of integrated hyperphagia, this author has been able to fix his foodstuffs, allowing fat-free frozen yogurt and specifically (only) butter popped corn cakes (which contain no HFCS). This may be one factor that has attenuated the consequence of integrated hyperphagia. Often we hear of binges on candy, chocolate, pizza and other calorie dense high-fat, high-carbohydrate foods, which most certainly will elevate the energy intake.

4) Thermogenic Supplementation: A few brief, non-exhaustive comments here. Thermogenic supplementation, such as the EC(A) stack (and others) should be continued, possibly increased during this phase (consider 40mg ephedrine/day rather than 20mg). The reasoning is the same mentioned above in regards to cardio - the potential to short-circuit the metabolic component favoring fat storage in spite of increased DIT. Of course, abuse of any thermogenic during the dieting phase will reduce any gains one might make by increasing the dosage during the post-competition phase. That said much of the diet phase can proceed without the use of thermogenic aids, simply by maintaining a modest caloric deficit; restricting intake and increased energy expenditure.

While I am torn on advocating the use of nicotine in this context, I will indicate that its continued usage through both dieting and post-rebound phases may exert favorable body composition changes and maintenance. One study (Schwid, Hirvonen, & Keesey, 1992), albeit in rats, is particularly relevant as it was framed in a regulatory perspective and it showed that nicotine-reated rats were able to reduce their setpoint; but also that they showed the same hyperphagic phenotype as control rats when they were starved beyond this new �??setpoint.�?? However, rather than binge back up to control levels of absolute fat, these rats overshot their new �??reduced setpoint�?? briefly, eventually returning to this new �??setpoint�?? which was lower than their control (pre-nicotine) values. This provides comparative evidence for the hyperphagic phenotype in humans as well as the energy conserving adjustments both during food restriction which spill over into the refeeding period. I would be remiss not to indicate that one must obviously reflect on the method of nicotine administration as well as the noted risks to its usage.

Here I have discussed the normative phenomenon of integrated hyperphagia observed in individuals who have experienced significant and extended periods of caloric deficit resulting in a substantial loss of bodyweight. I then applied this portrait to that of the body-builder or figure competitor following the competition period. I then offered more specific details regarding variability in integrated hyperphagia and created a new term, specific to this broad sport, called the �??post-competition syndrome.�?? Finally, I have offered some brief recommendations regarding training, hyperphagic nutrition, and post-competition thermogenic supplementation. I have intentionally made an attempt to keep this contribution less �??academic�?? in tone while still preserving a highly academic backdrop (i.e., Keys et al., and Dulloo et al.). For the more scientifically inclined, specific discussions of the material within will continue both in future articles as well as in the dynamical thread over at Avant where relevant mechanisms will be more fully elucidated and theorized.

References
References 1. Dulloo, A. G. (1997). Human pattern of food intake and fuel-partitioning during weight recovery after starvation: A theory of autoregulation of body composition. Proceedings of the Nutrition Society, 56, 25-40.

2. Dulloo, A. G., & Girardier, L. (1990). Adaptive changes in energy expenditure during refeeding following low-calorie intake: Evidence for a specific metabolic component favoring fat storage. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 52, 415-420.

3. Dulloo, A. G., & Jacquet, J. (2001). An adipose-specific control of thermogenesis in body weight regulation. International Journal of Obesity, 25, S22-S29.

4. Dulloo, A. G., & Jacquet, J. (1999). The control of partitioning between protein and fat during human starvation: Its internal determinants and biological significance. British Journal of Nutrition, 82, 339-356.

5. Dulloo, A. G., Jacquet, J., & Girardier, L. (1997). Post-starvation hyperphagia and body fat overshooting in humans: A role for feedback signals from lean and fat tissues. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 65, 717-723.

6. Dulloo, A. G., Jacquet, J., & Girardier, L. (1996). Autoregulation of body composition during weight recovery in human: The Minnesota experiment revisited. International Journal of Obesity, 20, 393-405.

7. Hancock, S. D., Menard, J. L., & Olmstead, M. C. (2005). Variations in maternal care influence vulnerability to stress-induced binge eating in female rats. Physiology & Behavior, 85, 430-439.

8. Jamin, F. & Muller, E. (1931). Specific weight of the living man with clinical applications for recovery of body weight. Munchener Medizinishche Wochenshrift, 51, 349-362.

9. Kalm, L. M., & Semba, R. D. (2005). They starved so that others could be better fed: Remembering Ancel Keys and the Minnesota experiment. Journal of Nutrition, 135, 1347-1352.

10. Keys, A., Brozek, J., Henschel, A, Mickelson, O., & Taylor, H. L. (1950). The biology of human starvation: 2 volumes. Minneapolis: University of Minnesota Press.

11. Kornfeld, W. & Schuller, H. (1931). Pattern of lean tissue deposition in free-living children recovering from tuberculosis. Zeitschrift fur Kinder und Jugendpsychiatrie, 51, 349-362.

12. Schwid, S. R., Hirvonen, M. D., & Keesey, R. E. (1992). Nicotine effects on body weight: A regulatory perspective. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 55, 878-84.

13. St. Pierre, S., Roy, B., & Tremblay, A. (1996). A case study on energy balance during an expedition through Greenland. International Journal of Obesity, 20, 493-495.
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Vain68
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Ironic that years after having left T-Nation (for the most part) my article (above) rolls in. I wrote that a while back for MM. I am glad it has helped or been a guide for those who have needed it. It is based on a whole gang of research, trial and error and my own experiences and those of many others. I am in the process of penning a second in (this) series which deals with maintaining a close grip on peak state.

Best
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angieburke
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I wish i had found that article for my post competition period sooner.

Anyway, just so you know, you definately are not alone! With every day after the competition, i could see my abs disappearing more and more. It really bummed me out, but in a way just made me want to work harder. Sometimes i wouldn't even look in the mirror at the gym i was so sad, but i was just determined more to lose it. i would tell myself, "Crying doesn't burn fat, but getting a good workout will."

It really was hard for me to get back on my dieting mode. My mom is an excellent cook and loves baking all of those sinful delights, and i am beside myself, especially now during the holidays.

Just know what your goals are, even if it is to exceed your last package you brought to the competition. If you ask yourself "why?", just tell yourself that this is what you do, what many people can't do. Having a cheat meal or even whole cheat day doesn't make you a failure, please, i live for my cheat days!

For control, it helps me to not even have the high sugary things in my house. I usually throw it all out or give it away to my friends that could care less. Less options = less opportunities for an all out bingeing fest. And believe me i have had them when i least needed them.

Well, just know that you are never alone when it comes to this subject. I am constantly learning about how my body responds to different things, so frustrating! I hope this helps you a bit. Happy holidays!

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kroby
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There's nothing wrong with a healthy subcutaneous layer.

Such a drastic loss of fat will cause your hormones to be compromised, which will lead to periods of depression that are heightened when coupled with "smooting out" post competition.

What would be best is a healthy, reasonable expectation of what your body should look like on a daily basis. And what your body looks like four weeks out from your comp is not reasonable. It's extreme, and not to be maintained.

Being healthy should be stressed above looking lean. A healthy hormonal balance is achieved with a healthy body fat ratio.

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sloh
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Join date: Nov 2006
Location: California, USA
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I can't speak as well about this psychological rebound as the previous posts by the girls who have competed, but I strongly advise you to read Scott Abel's blogs/articles. While there are things you can do to minimize the detrimental effects of binging, what matters is how you perceive training/eating/figure competitions. Maybe, you need to re-evaluate why you ever wanted to do this in the first place.

Scott is one of the few coaches who takes into consideration the psychological problems that accrue with competing, and just getting fit in general.

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LynnB
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Join date: Dec 2007
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 8

Scott Abel wrote a great article about metabolic damage and the implications of hard core dieting (as in figure and BB).
I wish I found this info years ago.

Hang in there and take one day at a time.

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mashkaNY
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sic wrote:
Re-examine your priorities. It sounds like you are unable to motivate yourself without a clear goal in mind. You probably enjoyed the break from strict training/dieting post competition... and then stretched it out so long that you lost your direction.

Why did/do you train? Health? Strength? Injury prevention? Sport? Appearance? Personal satisfaction?

Really think about what makes you tick. What makes you want to chose healthy foods over poor nutritional choices? What makes you prioritize the gym over sitting on the couch watching re-runs of your favorite show?

Decide why you want to train, and then set goals for yourself. It does not matter if your goal is to bench 50lbs more by the end of a year, or if it is to do a nude photo shoot... it is all about your own personal goal. Set some big goals and then plan the little steps that lead up to them. Give yourself a realistic time frame in which to achieve your milestones and make yourself accountable to... well, to yourself. True motivation needs to come from within, not from a circled date on the calendar.
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In regards to diet, you are having a difficult time because you don't have a reason to stick to a healthier lifestyle. Poor food choices surround us on a daily basis. It's much easier to give in and say "yes" then it is draw your hand back from the candy dish and say "no." "No" is a good word. "No" is not a negative thing. "No" shows restraint. "No" shows self control and an awareness of personal choice. Just because your friends are going out for drinks doesn't mean you can't order water. Just because the girl in the cubicle next to you made cookies doesn't mean that you have to eat them.

Once you decide on your training goals, you will have a much easier time deciding your nutritional goals. Allow yourself to enjoy calorie rich foods such as pizza or chocolate, but schedule them. Initially, plan your diet as follows:

1-2 strict low carb (meat and veggies) sort of days. 1-2 moderate carb (beans, sweet potatoes, wheat breads) days. 1-2 higher carb days (pasta, rice etc.).

Allow yourself a day of indulgence where you can go out to Burger King for lunch and have chocolate chip pancakes for dinner if that is what you really want. Then start the cycle over again.

Keep track of how you feel on the healthier days vs. the not so healthy days. Gradually increase the number of days that you eat cleaner and decrease the days that you indulge. Don't take an all or nothing approach or it won't work because you will feel denied and unsatisfied.

Stop being so hard on yourself and calling yourself a failure. You haven't failed because you aren't trying to do anything yet. :) Pick some goals and get started again. Baby steps and you'll get back on track before you realize it.

wow great post thank you!

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