the classes to day is not static, a worker can become a capitalist and a capitalist can become a worker. the first one i rare and the second is common.

the upper class is the big capitalist that own so much that they have power over a lots of people and part of the society. small capitalists and rich workers ( a hired boss ) are what you can call "middelclass".

a calss is a group of people who is linked to the production the same way. because of this they share the same social interresst. lat say taxes: workers share an common interressts in progressive taxes, capititalists share interrests in flat taxes.

the class system of today is different from that in feudalisme. our upper class is not as easy to recognize. the class system is not stated in the law, as in feudalsime.

I leaving this debate, because of my english. Its so many words I dont know in english, so I cant explain my wiew good enough.

By all means, stay!

I, for one, am here precisely to improve my english!
Also, I can learn a thing or two besides language( yes, that happens a lot, actually).
Third, a healty "culture of debate", is rare in Germany as it is in many parts of the world. Most "discussion" forums are crap in that regard.
At a place, where I can discucss creationism with closeminded denizens of Montana, I should also be able to talk communism with a Norwegian.

I think we can reach a compromise here.

the ones you refer to as "upper class" are indeed problematic. You mean people who simply have accumulated too much power and who, in ancient Greece were sometimes expelled (a wonderful practise in essence) because of that.
I'd refer to them as the "global upper ten thousand" or the upper elite.
I consider their existance harmful to all societies, especially in a globalized world.

Apart from that, I see little use in looking through a "class" filter all the time.
in the 18th & 19th and early 20th Century that was different, but right now in the western world we have more pressing problems - bad political and economical structures, processing of media and media information, negative aspects of globalization, ecological problems etc.
There is no class warfare as there are no classes and there is little reason to resurrect old, outdated patterns and to simultaneously ignite them.
It's a seductive ideological trap one can fall into, especially since the world today is fucking complicated.

dont feel like I am attacking you. Hell, I could not argue with you in Norwegian so I applaud the effort. It is all too often that people in this forum especially do not want to do anything than masturbate their own position. Debate hardly occurs. Though I may disagree with a variety of opinions, I welcome the discussion it brings.

I find it hard to discuss when I cant express myself 100%

the definition of classes are difficult today, because its not as black and white anymore, but its still classes. let us yuse a simpler definition who both can agree with.

the global upperclass: the 10% most powerfull and wealthiest in the world.

the global lowerclass: the rest of the population in the world.

the national upperclass: the 10% most powerfull and wealthiest in the nation.

lowerclass: the rest.

do you agree with this definition?